(04-06-2016, 12:51 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: You need a hobby.  

This IS his hobby.

(04-07-2016, 11:54 PM)EatonFan Wrote: This IS his hobby.

its all our hobby if we signed up on a bengals message board to discuss football! 

(04-05-2016, 11:47 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here are some interesting Bengal team stats over the last five seasons.  If all you care about is that we are 0-5 in the post season you can stop reading now.  

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(04-05-2016, 11:47 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here are some interesting Bengal team stats over the last five seasons.  If all you care about is that we are 0-5 in the post season you can stop reading now.  

I'm not quite as concerned with our inability to win a single game in 5 straight appearances, so much as the fact that any other team that has made it 3 or more years in a row has at least made it TO the Super Bowl and any other team that has made it 4 or more years in a row has won the whole thing.

(04-09-2016, 01:31 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm not quite as concerned with our inability to win a single game in 5 straight appearances, so much as the fact that any other team that has made it 3 or more years in a row has at least made it TO the Super Bowl and any other team that has made it 4 or more years in a row has won the whole thing.

Now, THAT'S an interesting (and very telling) stat.

(04-09-2016, 09:47 AM)Bengalsrob Wrote: Now, THAT'S an interesting (and very telling) stat.

I only looked at the team's current streaks, not all time. The Cardinals made it 2 in a row and got to the NFC champion round, the Panthers 3 in a row and made it to the Super Bowl, and the Packers, Broncos, and Patriots have made it 4,5, and 7 times in a row and won it all once each in that span.

It would be interesting to see if any other NFL team made it 5 times in a row without even making It to the SB though. I know the Bills showed you can keep making the playoffs and not win it.

I think what fred is going for here is focusing on some of the positive instead of all of the negative. Those who only care about the playoff losses are depriving themselves of living in the moment and the joy of each individual win. You gotta realize that only one team ends the season on a win. I try to enjoy each game as it is given to me. Experiencing more wins than losses means more good than bad feelings.

I fully understand the angst over playoff losses...I experience it too. But like I said, football is cruel in that the fans of 31 teams have to end their season feeling disappointed. I want a playoff win bad also. And if they keep making the playoffs, the optimist in me realizes that sooner or later they have to make the breakthrough. Look at the boston red sox....100+ years of playoff losses before finally breaking through and winning a couple world series.

Sooner or later my friends...sooner or later. But along the way, don't forget to enjoy the wins, each one is a gift. Remember how good it felt going 8-0, remember coming back in the 4th quarter to beat the seahawks, remember William's INT of big ben to propel the Bengals to the win in PIT....those things should not all be forgotten for the lack of one playoff win.

(04-09-2016, 12:04 PM)Beaker Wrote: I think what fred is going for here is focusing on some of the positive instead of all of the negative. Those who only care about the playoff losses are depriving themselves of living in the moment and the joy of each individual win. You gotta realize that only one team ends the season on a win. I try to enjoy each game as it is given to me. Experiencing more wins than losses means more good than bad feelings.

I fully understand the angst over playoff losses...I experience it too. But like I said, football is cruel in that the fans of 31 teams have to end their season feeling disappointed. I want a playoff win bad also. And if they keep making the playoffs, the optimist in me realizes that sooner or later they have to make the breakthrough. Look at the boston red sox....100+ years of playoff losses before finally breaking through and winning a couple world series.

Sooner or later my friends...sooner or later. But along the way, don't forget to enjoy the wins, each one is a gift. Remember how good it felt going 8-0, remember coming back in the 4th quarter to beat the seahawks, remember William's INT of big ben to propel the Bengals to the win in PIT....those things should not all be forgotten for the lack of one playoff win.

I don't disagree, but some of us can't help but see the side of these awesome stats and 8-0 starts and top-tier offenses/defenses, and perfect records at home followed by yearly playoff meltdowns that means disappointment.  

Personally, I (as well as some other fans, pundits, and at least a few former Bengals players) am of the mindset that this organization has certain people in high-ranking positions that are so free from accountability that they have installed a virtual ceiling where winning a playoff game is tantamount to a more functional organization winning it all AND the prettier stats you show me, the more it seems to substantiate that point.

Basically, these stats (and I'm a drama queen, fair enough) and talking up how talented the Bengals are just make me think of odd stuff like a woman who is a genetic 10 who never bathes, or a guy with an IQ of 165 who just sits around and plays Nintendo all day, or something.  If you don't make something significant of your talent, eventually it becomes a knock against you...a lot of us are disappointed in the Bengals and disappointment can only exist if there is something to indicate under-performance.

We saw the Buffalo Bills prove that a team can actually make the playoffs 10 times in 12 years, make 4 Super Bowl appearances and still wind up being a gigantic joke because they simply can't turn one very specific corner.  

(04-09-2016, 12:04 PM)Beaker Wrote: I think what fred is going for here is focusing on some of the positive instead of all of the negative. Those who only care about the playoff losses are depriving themselves of living in the moment and the joy of each individual win. You gotta realize that only one team ends the season on a win. I try to enjoy each game as it is given to me. Experiencing more wins than losses means more good than bad feelings.

I fully understand the angst over playoff losses...I experience it too. But like I said, football is cruel in that the fans of 31 teams have to end their season feeling disappointed. I want a playoff win bad also. And if they keep making the playoffs, the optimist in me realizes that sooner or later they have to make the breakthrough. Look at the boston red sox....100+ years of playoff losses before finally breaking through and winning a couple world series.

Sooner or later my friends...sooner or later. But along the way, don't forget to enjoy the wins, each one is a gift. Remember how good it felt going 8-0, remember coming back in the 4th quarter to beat the seahawks, remember William's INT of big ben to propel the Bengals to the win in PIT....those things should not all be forgotten for the lack of one playoff win.

I really respect what you're saying and there's definitely truth to it, but this situation is so frustrating (to me) because it's so unprecedented. No NFL fan base has endured what we have. 25 years with no postseason wins. 12 of those years were arguably the worst stretch of football ever by any team. 

Then we hire a guy who brings hope, who energizes the fan base and helps the team become successful again. Yet he just can't make that leap from good to great. 13 years, 4 division titles, 7 playoff appearances...yet we can't win a single game? We've had so many great teams and players and it almost feels like they've been wasted. 

We've felt rock bottom (the 90's), but we haven't yet experienced the pinnacle of success. 

Compare that to teams like the Saints and Buccaneers. They had similar stretches of failure, but they got to experience championships when they came out of their dark ages. I almost feel like the Bengals owe us a championship for what we had to deal with in the 90's. Or at least they owe us more than an era of unprecedented playoff failures.

(04-09-2016, 01:50 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Personally, I (as well as some other fans, pundits, and at least a few former Bengals players) am of the mindset that this organization has certain people in high-ranking positions that are so free from accountability that they have installed a virtual ceiling where winning a playoff game is tantamount to a more functional organization winning it all 

This makes no sense to me.

I honestly think the bengals are trying as hard as they can.  If they are really having this much success without even trying do you realize what level of genius they are?

I honestly don't think the bengals could be this good without trying as hard as they can.

(04-06-2016, 02:04 AM)BengalChris Wrote: You brought it up.

I don't have any problem talking about the other 16 games. But I do wish we could be talking about an 18th game one of the years.

Actually it is the 21st game that has been giving us trouble.  The first four don't count towards post-season participation.

Could the problem be that everyone is going into the wild card round wishing for a win in our 17th game instead of 21st?

(04-09-2016, 01:31 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm not quite as concerned with our inability to win a single game in 5 straight appearances, so much as the fact that any other team that has made it 3 or more years in a row has at least made it TO the Super Bowl and any other team that has made it 4 or more years in a row has won the whole thing.

Clearly that is not true of Jim Kelly's Bills or Donovan McNabb's Eagles.

(04-10-2016, 10:39 AM)jfkbengals Wrote: Actually it is the 21st game that has been giving us trouble.  The first four don't count towards post-season participation.

Could the problem be that everyone is going into the wild card round wishing for a win in our 17th game instead of 21st?


Clearly that is not true of Jim Kelly's Bills or Donovan McNabb's Eagles.

I meant during this stretch we are calling our own dynasty, of sorts.  Active streaks and results

Patriots - 7 years - 8 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearances, 1 SB win
Packers - 7 years - 7 total post-season wins, 1 SB appearance, 1 SB win
Broncos - 5 years - 6 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearance, 1 SB win
Bengals - 5 years - 0 wins
Seahawks - 4  years, 8 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearances, 1 SB win
Panthers - 3 years, 3 total post-season wins, 1 SB appearance
Cardinals - 2 years, 1 total post-season win
Steelers - 2 years, 1 total post-season win


Anyways, the Bengals just look implausibly out of place surrounded by the other playoff-streak teams.  33 playoff wins among the streaking teams and not a single one belonging to the Bengals. Hell, even the Chiefs snapped their playoff drought with a single appearance this year. Bah, oh well. Maybe in 2016.

(04-06-2016, 01:11 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I probably read more literature than anyone on this site, but I can't have a discussion with many of you on the works of Salman Rushdie, Iris Murdoch, Michael Chabon, Anthony Burgess, Charles Bukowski, or John Fante.

I am also a connoisseur of classic jazz and amputee porn.

I am 53 years old and self employed.  I live by myself 75% of the time.  I have lots of time to do whatever I want.

Would you say the books are leather bound and smell of mahogany?

<3 from a fellow Bukowski guy!

I still blame Bo Jackson.

(04-07-2016, 02:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How many of you think the Cowboys have been a better team than the Bengals over the last 5 years?

Have the Falcons and Chiefs been better than the Bengals over the last 5 years?

Chiefs have been very good over the past 3 years. They got a new coach after going 2-14 and hadn't won a playoff game since 1993.

Andy Reid in town, last 3 seasons they went 31-17. 1-2 in the playoffs.

They've had more success than the Bengals. Who went 33-14-1. But are 0-3 in the playoffs.

Why don't you start naming teams that have been to the playoffs more than twice? Like the Seahawks, Patriots, Broncos, Packers, Colts, and Panthers.

EVERY one of those teams made it to the Conference Championship.

And guess what? Bengals have a better regular season record than two of those teams. And close to all the other ones.

Yet, one those teams are in the conference championship every year in those 5 years.

Bengals have a ton of regular season success. We're allowed to be happy. But does anyone care about the 2012 season right now? No. Why? It ended like the last 5 years.

Bengals struggle in the playoffs and in primetime. Numbers don't lie with that.

(04-10-2016, 12:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I meant during this stretch we are calling our own dynasty, of sorts.  Active streaks and results

Patriots - 7 years - 8 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearances, 1 SB win
Packers - 7 years - 7 total post-season wins, 1 SB appearance, 1 SB win
Broncos - 5 years - 6 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearance, 1 SB win
Bengals - 5 years - 0 wins
Seahawks - 4  years, 8 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearances, 1 SB win
Panthers - 3 years, 3 total post-season wins, 1 SB appearance
Cardinals - 2 years, 1 total post-season win
Steelers - 2 years, 1 total post-season win


Anyways, the Bengals just look implausibly out of place surrounded by the other playoff-streak teams.  33 playoff wins among the streaking teams and not a single one belonging to the Bengals. Hell, even the Chiefs snapped their playoff drought with a single appearance this year. Bah, oh well.  Maybe in 2016.

Rep. This really puts our postseason futility in perspective.

Stats are always fun, especially when they cast you in a favorable light.

You know what's even more fun then that? Playoff wins. I'd like to have that kind of fun.

(04-10-2016, 12:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I meant during this stretch we are calling our own dynasty, of sorts.  Active streaks and results

Patriots - 7 years - 8 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearances, 1 SB win
Packers - 7 years - 7 total post-season wins, 1 SB appearance, 1 SB win
Broncos - 5 years - 6 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearance, 1 SB win
Bengals - 5 years - 0 wins
Seahawks - 4  years, 8 total post-season wins, 2 SB appearances, 1 SB win
Panthers - 3 years, 3 total post-season wins, 1 SB appearance
Cardinals - 2 years, 1 total post-season win
Steelers - 2 years, 1 total post-season win


Anyways, the Bengals just look implausibly out of place surrounded by the other playoff-streak teams.  33 playoff wins among the streaking teams and not a single one belonging to the Bengals. Hell, even the Chiefs snapped their playoff drought with a single appearance this year. Bah, oh well.  Maybe in 2016.

My bad, I didn't realize you meant over the same period.  I thought you meant all-time.

(04-10-2016, 07:02 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: My bad, I didn't realize you meant over the same period.  I thought you meant all-time.

That's on me, I didn't go back and edit my initial post but in the one after I pointed out that I meant current streaks.

(04-10-2016, 06:56 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: Stats are always fun, especially when they cast you in a favorable light.

You know what's even more fun then that?  Playoff wins.  I'd like to have that kind of fun.

You love regular season wins.  I have seen you here happy with a big regular season win.

What is wrong with all of you people?  Many of you lose your minds over big regular season losses, but now you act like you don't even watch regular season games.

What a bunch of hypocrites.