Kitna was pretty well liked. Dalton not so much.

I see a lot of similarities in their game. What similarities and differences do you see?

(05-14-2015, 11:21 PM)livebythe10 Wrote: Kitna was pretty well liked. Dalton not so much.

I see a lot of similarities in their game. What similarities and differences do you see?

They appear similar, however Kitna was 31 and in his 7th NFL season before leading the Bengals to 8-8 in 2003.  He had 9 years under his belt when he got in the game after Carson got hurt in the 2005 Wildcard game.  Dalton was thrown into the fire his first year at age 24 and reached the playoffs each of the first four years.  We'll know more in 3-4 years.  I'm optimistically looking forward to division titles, playoff wins and a Superbowl since the roster around him seems ready to help him get there.

Unless Andy has a miracle in his pocket this year, he is likely to become a journeyman back-up QB as well. Coaches will love his experience, but recognize his limitations. He will be a great #2.

I feel ya 10,

I'm really hoping Dalton can finally find his mo jo this season, but I'm not holding my breath.

But to be fair I'm hoping the entire team can find theirs as well.

(05-14-2015, 11:44 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I feel ya 10,

I'm really hoping Dalton can finally find his mo jo this season, but I'm not holding my breath.

But to be fair I'm hoping the entire team can find theirs as well.

I think Dalton has a better arm , they understood the playbook very well but just couldn't
deliver the ball consistently on target.They both have a tendency to make a bonehead play
at the most inoppotune time.

They are both open about their faith

Dalton has the tools to be a better player (October 2013), but Kitna I'm sure could give a MUCH BETTER pregame speech! :)

(05-14-2015, 11:41 PM)DaltontoKroftSBchamps Wrote: They appear similar, however Kitna was 31 and in his 7th NFL season before leading the Bengals to 8-8 in 2003.  He had 9 years under his belt when he got in the game after Carson got hurt in the 2005 Wildcard game.  Dalton was thrown into the fire his first year at age 24 and reached the playoffs each of the first four years.  We'll know more in 3-4 years.  I'm optimistically looking forward to division titles, playoff wins and a Superbowl since the roster around him seems ready to help him get there.

Kitna was a more seasoned QB. Not really smarter or more talented. Nor did he have anywhere close to the success that Dalton has had.

Yet fans loved him in comparison to Dalton. I see them as being so similar its hard to understand the bipolar opposite effects they have had on fans.

Was it because kitna didn't get us to the big games so he didn't let us down so much?

Were expectations that much higher for a young guy we drafted and threw to the fire over a veteran that stepped in and became a starter?

Its just always puzzled me. Dalton is just an upgraded kitna. How could kitna be well liked but a better version of him be so hated?

This reminds me of the way Bears fans were disappointed with Grossman/Orton/Cutler while romanticizing undrafted FA Erik Kramer's few good seasons with the team in the 90s. Basically, you have Kitna and Kramer who are undrafted, journeyman, likable, blue-collar, no-frills guys who come into a damaged franchise and bring no expectations and/or drama and actually halt the QB carousel and have (relative) success. Kitna got the Bengals to 8-8 and Kramer got the Bears a playoff win; nothing their replacements didn't do (or do better) but they were such likable un-sung guys who turned up during times of misery that it's extra-easy to romanticize their contributions.

Similarities:
- Similar size
- Similar physical attributes
- Both open Christians
- Both prone to mistakes in crucial moments

Differences:
- Kitna threw more INTs
- Kitna was one of the worst in the NFL at fumbling, while Dalton is one of the best
- Kitna was more fiery as a leader

(05-15-2015, 07:33 AM)livebythe10 Wrote: Kitna was a more seasoned QB. Not really smarter or more talented. Nor did he have anywhere close to the success that Dalton has had.

Yet fans loved him in comparison to Dalton. I see them as being so similar its hard to understand the bipolar opposite effects they have had on fans.

Was it because kitna didn't get us to the big games so he didn't let us down so much?

Were expectations that much higher for a young guy we drafted and threw to the fire over a veteran that stepped in and became a starter?

Its just always puzzled me. Dalton is just an upgraded kitna.  How could kitna be well liked but a better version of him be so hated?

Simple answer is that by the time Dalton came in, fans' patience was already worn thin. They'd tasted some regular season success and I think the fan base was ready for more. Whereas when Kitna came in, we were still entrenched in the 90's. People remember Kitna favorably because he helped lead the team to an 8-8 record in Marv's first season. Expectations were lower, so 8-8 was viewed as a big achievement. Same reason Jeff Blake is remembered fondly for going 7-9 and 8-8 back in the 90's.

(05-14-2015, 11:21 PM)livebythe10 Wrote: Kitna was pretty well liked. Dalton not so much.

I see a lot of similarities in their game. What similarities and differences do you see?

Kitna was not blessed with franchise QB physical talent, but he was a hell of a leader. He made a relatively lousy team competitive, and gave us a couple exciting seasons relative to what we had been accustomed to. A true team player.

(05-15-2015, 01:29 AM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: ... Kitna I'm sure could give a MUCH BETTER pregame speech!  :)

Who couldn't give a better pregame speech!? I think Adam Jones should give pregame speeches going forward. I think this quote from Jones regarding that Casino incident is evidence that he could get the job done.

"I’m in the car, I got a call telling me I’m on the news about the casino last night. Man, you all need to stop that s–t, man. You all ain’t got s–t else to report? TMZ, all, y’all. Get outta motherf–kin here, man. Get the f–k out of here. Ain’t nobody did," Jones said.

I'll also say that if we replace Dalton (even with his resume as it is now) with a 1st overall pick that doesn't even get us a playoff win we will be looking back at Andy as "a darn good QB and guy who just couldn't quite overcome this franchise" as well.

Then again, Dalton is a 2nd round pick and Kitna was an undrafted journeyman vet, so there are different expectations, too.

They're not similar. That's like asking the similarities between Mark Sanchez and Nick Foles.

(05-15-2015, 09:55 AM)Nately120 Wrote: This reminds me of the way Bears fans were disappointed with Grossman/Orton/Cutler while romanticizing undrafted FA Erik Kramer's few good seasons with the team in the 90s. Basically, you have Kitna and Kramer who are undrafted, journeyman, likable, blue-collar, no-frills guys who come into a damaged franchise and bring no expectations and/or drama and actually halt the QB carousel and have (relative) success. Kitna got the Bengals to 8-8 and Kramer got the Bears a playoff win; nothing their replacements didn't do (or do better) but they were such likable un-sung guys who turned up during times of misery that it's extra-easy to romanticize their contributions.

As a Lions fan I liked Kramer. Beat the Cowboys in a playoff game in '92 and took the Lions to the NFCCG, only to be drilled by evenbtual SB champion Washington.

As for the op, quite a few similarities. Nice guy, loves Jebus, will never lead you to the promised land. They'd have been tighter than bark on a log had they played on this team at the same time.

I'd say a better comparison is Dalton and Kenny Anderson. Don't see any comparison with Kitna whosoever. Dalton is far superior.

(05-14-2015, 11:21 PM)livebythe10 Wrote: Kitna was pretty well liked. Dalton not so much.

I see a lot of similarities in their game. What similarities and differences do you see?

Differences

Kitna performed better in the playoffs while Dalton's playoff QBing makes every defense look like the '85 Bears.

Similarities

Neither one of them is capable of carrying the Bengals to the SB.
Both QBs for the Bengals.

(05-15-2015, 11:51 PM)Joe Pong Wrote: I'd say a better comparison is Dalton and Kenny Anderson. Don't see any comparison with Kitna whosoever. Dalton is far superior.

Far superior? Dalton has played a far superior teams, which closes the gap some I think.

I think the difference is fans expectations.

Kitna exceeded peoples expectations for a old journeyman.

Some fans expect more out of Andy because he was an early second rounder and he had moderate success early but hasn't built much on it yet. Maybe this is the year he takes the next step.