Game 1

Hill: 9 rush attempts for 31 yards
Bernard: 5 rush attempts for 25 yards

14 rush attempts by RB's for 56 yards while Dalton had 30 pass attempts. We won but mostly because the players overcame bad coaching ! Mostly AJ and Andy

Game 2

Hill: 11 rush attempts for 22 yards
Bernard: 5 rush attempts for 17 yards

16 rush attempts by RB's for 39 yards while Dalton had 54 pass attempts.

That's 95 total yards by our RB's to the tune of little over 3.1 yards per carry. We're averaging 15 runs and 42 passes per game ! A ratio that is a recipe for disaster.

We have defenders in the offensive backfield on nearly every run play. Our run blocking is horrible to say the least. We've abandoned the run totally for long stretches in both games while still very much in the game. How much of this is because we can't run and how much is because of bad play calling is anyone's guess ?

But whatever is broke we have to fix it quick or it's going to be a very long season ! Zampese gets a D- from me so far

The only gripe I have with Zampese is he seems to let this offense just kind of sputter. When we get momentum rolling and make a few good plays we usually are okay from there but it seems like he has trouble getting his offense off to a fast start. This is one area where I felt like Hue was really a big improvement from Gruden. Last year I bet we scored on our first drive of the game damn near every game.

(09-19-2016, 01:11 AM)treee Wrote: The only gripe I have with Zampese is he seems to let this offense just kind of sputter. When we get momentum rolling and make a few good plays we usually are okay from there but it seems like he has trouble getting his offense off to a fast start. This is one area where I felt like Hue was really a big improvement from Gruden. Last year I bet we scored on our first drive of the game damn near every game.

Hard to judge Zampese yet via the O-line sucking so much. 

But will say for all the grief Gruden takes, sure would like to thank him for the offensive players he drafted for us. 

Have not gotten same caliber weapons since his departure. 

I think the problem with zampese is he doesn't like to run the ball its not in his DNA. He is to much like Mike Martz.

(09-19-2016, 01:42 AM)J24 Wrote: I think the problem with zampese is he doesn't like to run the ball its not in his DNA. He is to much like Mike Martz.

He had better figure out something and quick.

(09-19-2016, 01:52 AM)Derrick Wrote: He had better figure out something and quick.

Exactly !

Whatever plan he has (if any) isn't working. We must get the run game going. 

15 rushing plays a game has no chance !

Why try to force the run if its not there. Our run blocking is a joke. This wouldnt be an issue if our WR's didnt drop 8 passes today killing drives. But overall I give him a D. would rather wait till 1/4 of the games have been played.

(09-19-2016, 03:06 AM)TKUHL Wrote: Why try to force the run if its not there. Our run blocking is a joke. This wouldnt be an issue if our WR's didnt drop 8 passes today killing drives. But overall I give him a D. would rather wait till 1/4 of the games have been played.

Do you seriously think our run blocking can continue to be "a joke" and us have any success ?

I'm not saying we need to go back to 1975. I'm saying this problem isn't going to fix itself ! Bodine is a major weak link for one thing. We don't sustain blocks on many run plays they get contact for a split second and quit. The drive isn't there.

Somebody needs to be held accountable for this.

(09-19-2016, 01:20 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Hard to judge Zampese yet via the O-line sucking so much. 

But will say for all the grief Gruden takes, sure would like to thank him for the offensive players he drafted for us. 

Have not gotten same caliber weapons since his departure. 

Disagree, I think you will see Boyd, Core and Uzomah mature into excellent players. Boyd especially is going to shine....

Too early to call.....like someone else said, I'll give it a couple more weeks to see if the ship rights.  That said, you have to commit to run it some....and I'm not seeing that, obviously.  I'm not sure if he doesn't want to run it, or if he's gunshy due to piss poor blocking.  Either way, something has to give.  If he is gunshy, who can blame him after that bullshit from the 1 on first and goal.  Looked like a buncha ******* with mustard seeds for balls up front down there.....Piano Man must be playing Mozart pre game to fire them up or something....

(09-19-2016, 03:06 AM)TKUHL Wrote: Why try to force the run if its not there. Our run blocking is a joke. This wouldnt be an issue if our WR's didnt drop 8 passes today killing drives. But overall I give him a D. would rather wait till 1/4 of the games have been played.

Does anyone know why, when it was so wet, we had multiple receivers dropping passes and they were playing without receiving gloves?  Then after the drop, they'd put gloves on finally.  I noticed this specifically with Kroft and Uzomah.  Those gloves are so much easier to catch with in wet conditions, why were they not wearing them the whole game!?  Head shaker on that one for me...  just one thing I noticed in relation to SOME of the drops, but certainly not all of them.  Even then we probably still would have had 4 to 6 drops, I would think...   not good at this level, even in pretty poor conditions

But to the OP point, I give Zampese a flat C.  I would LOVE to have some sort of token success at running the ball, but if we ran it even more, and gained less yardage passing.  I doubt the running averages would be any better.  Our Oline hasn't run blocked well AT ALL.  We likely start 0-2 if we ran the ball more, so can't give Zampese less than a C at this point, as we are at .500 through two games.  And we all knew this first four game stretch was going to be killer.

(09-19-2016, 08:25 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Disagree, I think you will see Boyd, Core and Uzomah mature into excellent players. Boyd especially is going to shine....

Love Boyd and think the others mentioned will as well. Think Boyd was really solid yesterday and suggested in Brad post that he should look for a way to wager on Boyds production this year at casino. Only one who did so by the way and nobody agreed.

But, .......Dalton,..... AJ Green,...... Gio,..... Eiffert,....... Marvin Jones,....... Sanu,...... and Zeitler are a pretty solid draft picks.

All started and contributed immediately while helping us to playoffs in each players rookie year. 

Well maybe not Zeitler but did we not hire an offensive line guru to make that pick for us ?  Thinking the Rooney's paid him more to suggest not taking Decastro who the entire board wanted. 

I have not been impressed. In no way should your QB be throwing on the road, in the rain, 54 times.

What a joke.

(09-19-2016, 01:04 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Game 1

Hill: 9 rush attempts for 31 yards
Bernard: 5 rush attempts for 25 yards

14 rush attempts by RB's for 56 yards while Dalton had 30 pass attempts. We won but mostly because the players overcame bad coaching ! Mostly AJ and Andy

Game 2

Hill: 11 rush attempts for 22 yards
Bernard: 5 rush attempts for 17 yards

16 rush attempts by RB's for 39 yards while Dalton had 54 pass attempts.

That's 95 total yards by our RB's to the tune of little over 3.1 yards per carry. We're averaging 15 runs and 42 passes per game ! A ratio that is a recipe for disaster.

We have defenders in the offensive backfield on nearly every run play. Our run blocking is horrible to say the least. We've abandoned the run totally for long stretches in both games while still very much in the game. How much of this is because we can't run and how much is because of bad play calling is anyone's guess ?

But whatever is broke we have to fix it quick or it's going to be a very long season ! Zampese gets a D- from me so far

O-line needs to block better in the run game. Can't blame the OC unless there is some production there.

I think a D- is way too harsh. Dont forget last week on the road against a very good Jets D, they were able to pull out a win. They also thus far have managed to have a good "2 minute"/"hurry up" in 3 of 4 halves thus far as well. That is something we have missed for a few years, as our hurry up Os in the past have been pretty bad.

I dont know what to think of yesterdays game in terms of going away from the run. Ideally I would like to see a more balanced approach. But ideally I also wish we had quite a few good run blockers. Maybe Zamp needs to get Hewitt more involved in the fb role? I dont know, but they need something else to help that run game other than lining up 1 rb with 1 or 2 tes.

(09-19-2016, 12:40 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I think a D- is way too harsh. Dont forget last week on the road against a very good Jets D, they were able to pull out a win. They also thus far have managed to have a good "2 minute"/"hurry up" in 3 of 4 halves thus far as well. That is something we have missed for a few years, as our hurry up Os in the past have been pretty bad.

I dont know what to think of yesterdays game in terms of going away from the run. Ideally I would like to see a more balanced approach. But ideally I also wish we had quite a few good run blockers. Maybe Zamp needs to get Hewitt more involved in the fb role? I dont know, but they need something else to help that run game other than lining up 1 rb with 1 or 2 tes.

Might need to go with the jumbo package again...

BTW, the really bad call yesterday was the 3rd and 1 and we decided to pass.

Have to run on 3rd and shorts, same with the goal line situation. It is not our RB's fault honestly it is the OL.

(09-19-2016, 01:04 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Game 1

Hill: 9 rush attempts for 31 yards
Bernard: 5 rush attempts for 25 yards

14 rush attempts by RB's for 56 yards while Dalton had 30 pass attempts. We won but mostly because the players overcame bad coaching ! Mostly AJ and Andy

Game 2

Hill: 11 rush attempts for 22 yards
Bernard: 5 rush attempts for 17 yards

16 rush attempts by RB's for 39 yards while Dalton had 54 pass attempts.

That's 95 total yards by our RB's to the tune of little over 3.1 yards per carry. We're averaging 15 runs and 42 passes per game ! A ratio that is a recipe for disaster.

We have defenders in the offensive backfield on nearly every run play. Our run blocking is horrible to say the least. We've abandoned the run totally for long stretches in both games while still very much in the game. How much of this is because we can't run and how much is because of bad play calling is anyone's guess ?

But whatever is broke we have to fix it quick or it's going to be a very long season ! Zampese gets a D- from me so far

I half agree with your assessment.

But I wouldn't be keen on judging Zampese or this offense just yet. On the road against NYJ and PIT in the first two games would make a rough start for any offense that isn't run by Bill Belicheck. Once the season settles in a bit, I anticipate our offense will be just as effective as last year's. We put up over 400 yards on offense yesterday and got robbed by some bad calls. Let's no overreact here.

However, Denver's defense coming to town implies that we might have at least one more week of very ugly offensive performances to deal with. I wouldn't expect the offense to figure it out just yet.

I'm still irate about this opening stretch of games the NFL schedule makers gave us.

(09-19-2016, 01:04 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Game 1

Hill: 9 rush attempts for 31 yards
Bernard: 5 rush attempts for 25 yards

14 rush attempts by RB's for 56 yards while Dalton had 30 pass attempts. We won but mostly because the players overcame bad coaching ! Mostly AJ and Andy

Game 2

Hill: 11 rush attempts for 22 yards
Bernard: 5 rush attempts for 17 yards

16 rush attempts by RB's for 39 yards while Dalton had 54 pass attempts.

That's 95 total yards by our RB's to the tune of little over 3.1 yards per carry. We're averaging 15 runs and 42 passes per game ! A ratio that is a recipe for disaster.

We have defenders in the offensive backfield on nearly every run play. Our run blocking is horrible to say the least. We've abandoned the run totally for long stretches in both games while still very much in the game. How much of this is because we can't run and how much is because of bad play calling is anyone's guess ?

But whatever is broke we have to fix it quick or it's going to be a very long season ! Zampese gets a D- from me so far

Good question. Don't know the answer.

What I do know is that we need to fix this.

(09-19-2016, 10:44 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Love Boyd and think the others mentioned will as well. Think Boyd was really solid yesterday and suggested in Brad post that he should look for a way to wager on Boyds production this year at casino. Only one who did so by the way and nobody agreed.

But, .......Dalton,..... AJ Green,...... Gio,..... Eiffert,....... Marvin Jones,....... Sanu,...... and Zeitler are a pretty solid draft picks.

All started and contributed immediately while helping us to playoffs in each players rookie year. 

Well maybe not Zeitler but did we not hire an offensive line guru to make that pick for us ?  Thinking the Rooney's paid him more to suggest not taking Decastro who the entire board wanted. 

I could be completely wrong, but I'd be very surprised if a first year OC who just came from the arena league really had that that much influence on who gets drafted. Also, I thought Green was the one who said he wanted Dalton as his QB? That may have been made up though. 

I would be hard pressed to give him a passing grade at this point. I want to believe they will get it turned around.