Not a Browns fan by no means, but the NFL is seriously rigged...Duke Johnson had the ball in his hand.

http://www.totalprosports.com/2016/10/02/browns-fumble-football-refs-give-the-redskins-possession-video/

(10-03-2016, 12:17 AM)Trademark Wrote: Not a Browns fan by no means, but the NFL is seriously rigged...Duke Johnson had the ball in his hand.

http://www.totalprosports.com/2016/10/02/browns-fumble-football-refs-give-the-redskins-possession-video/

I think the ball came out, a redskins player cradled it. The whistle blew, then the runner grabbed it and stood up.

(10-03-2016, 12:17 AM)Trademark Wrote: Not a Browns fan by no means, but the NFL is seriously rigged...Duke Johnson had the ball in his hand.

http://www.totalprosports.com/2016/10/02/browns-fumble-football-refs-give-the-redskins-possession-video/

https://mobile.twitter.com/jaycrawfordespn/status/782670067913875461

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The NFL seriously has to stop assuming there is a turnover and then when the video evidence is iffy saying "well it's not indisputable we can't overturn it". That is bullshit. The call should always be on the conservative side and then it is up to the coaches to challenge if they think it was a turnover.

(10-03-2016, 06:44 PM)treee Wrote: The NFL seriously has to stop assuming there is a turnover and then when the video evidence is iffy saying "well it's not indisputable we can't overturn it". That is bullshit. The call should always be on the conservative side and then it is up to the coaches to challenge if they think it was a turnover.

Referees are all blind asshats. Replay needs to prove the ref wrong and that's total bullshit. Replay should have to prove the ref right since they're all incompetent foolish asshats. 

(10-04-2016, 02:24 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Referees are all blind asshats. Replay needs to prove the ref wrong and that's total bullshit. Replay should have to prove the ref right since they're all incompetent foolish asshats. 

Or perhaps take away the call on the field completely when it comes to turnovers. Every time there is a suspected turnover, go to the booth, and if there isn't conclusive video evidence there was a turnover then there isn't one. 

(10-04-2016, 02:28 AM)treee Wrote: Or perhaps take away the call on the field completely when it comes to turnovers. Every time there is a suspected turnover, go to the booth, and if there isn't conclusive video evidence there was a turnover then there isn't one. 

That too. Base running ties go to the runner. Simultaneous catch goes to the offense. If it's not conclusive, the ball should stay with the offense.

That time the Browns recovered a fumble and no one noticed

A regular analysis of strategy, decisions and calls that impacted the week of NFL play -- with help from ESPN senior analytics specialist Brian Burke among other resources.
Browns running back Duke Johnson Jr. is hit by Redskins cornerback Josh Norman, left, and inside linebacker Will Compton (51) during the second half Sunday.

Poets and songwriters have been saying it for centuries: Sometimes what you're looking for was right in front of you all along.

Take a look at the photograph below. At the top, you'll see NFL line judge Sarah Thomas approaching a pile of players after a fumble. Thomas is doing what officials are tasked to do in those situations: Find the football and determine possession.

On the left is Cleveland Browns running back Duke Johnson Jr. He's the guy who fumbled the ball with nine minutes, 41 seconds remaining in the game. Now he's raising it with his right hand for Thomas and the rest of the world to see.




Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor is the player walking off the field at the top. He already has seen Johnson with the ball and pointed in the Browns' direction. The player facing Johnson is offensive lineman Joel Bitonio, and you can see him noticing the ball as well.

So the Browns kept possession, right?

Well ...

Even as Johnson held the ball high above his head, Browns left tackle Joe Thomas and Washington Redskins linebacker Will Compton were wrestling at the bottom of the pile next to him. What they were wrestling for, or with, is anyone's guess.

Noticing their struggle, several other players dropped to the ground in search of the ball. Thomas focused her gaze toward the action and awarded Compton the ball as umpire Shawn Smith and back judge Steve Freeman approached.

There is no point on the broadcast video of the game when we see Compton with the ball, despite his earnest attempts in the pile to find it. Nor can we see any moment at which Thomas, Smith or Freeman looked at Johnson.

What in the world happened here? And why didn't the NFL's replay system, which reviews all fumbles awarded to the opposing team, not fix it?

According to ESPN Cleveland Browns reporter Pat McManamon, Browns players heard Thomas tell the other officials that she saw a Redskins player with the ball and that Johnson grabbed it from him afterwards. To be fair, we've all seen that happen from time to time. Sometimes it fools officials, who are required by the NFL rule book to award possession to the first player who "secures possession of a loose ball after it has touched the ground" -- not the one who has the ball at the end of the action.

There is no evidence of that explanation on the game video. When you watch the full play at live speed, it sure looks like Johnson fumbled the ball, grabbed it himself and stood up with it in a matter of a second or two. The parallel universe that formed next to him was bizarre and yet not uncommon amid the chaos of an NFL game.

Replay is supposed to provide a safety net in these situations, but unfortunately for the Browns, there was no angle that showed a clear view of Johnson recovering the ball on the ground. An NFL spokesman told McManamon there was "nothing definitive" to see, and that's accurate. The league's standard for overturning calls on replay is that it's "clear and obvious" a mistake was made. There is a moment or two when we can't see the ball on the replay, allowing for the possibility that the on-field ruling was correct.

The play marked a significant turn in the game. The Redskins had just taken a 24-20 lead, and regaining possession raised their win probability from 63.6 percent to 86.5 percent in what would be a 31-20 victory.

Mistakes are made in every NFL game -- by officials, players and coaches alike. You can count on that continuing as long as humans are involved. In this case, however, we have a visual that accentuates it for posterity.

The correct call was made you clowns.

Sarah saw a Redskin Compton recover the ball.  Nothing more needs explained.


But if you insist...Johnson snatched the ball back from Compton, Compton in turn didn't know who snatched it.

JOE THOMAS AS WELL SAW COMPTON RECOVER THE BALL AND THOUGHT HE STILL HAD IT. THOMAS NEVER SAW JOHNSON SNATCH IT BACK.

To the idiot that wrote that article, that's why Compton and Thomas were scrapping.  Compton thought Thomas may have snatched the ball, and Thomas thought Compton still had it.

That explains why Sarah headed straight for those two. She saw Compton recover the ball.

That ball was rightfully Comptons. You cant just snatch it back and wave it pretending you recovered it.

Nice try Johnson you Cleveland Clown.

(10-04-2016, 07:57 PM)Vlad Wrote: Sarah saw a Redskin Compton recover the ball.  Nothing more needs explained.

Because they are the browns.