Right now they are looking at the 7th pick in the draft. They can probably pick a great CB from that slot.

(11-15-2016, 02:45 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yessir, and I was one of those that called for outside FA help every year.....if memory serves, so were you.

I backed them for not signing FAs and I was wrong.

Man, as much as I would love to see a top 5 draft pick...as much as I would love to see Marvin and most of the staff gone...as much as I would love to see some meaningful roster changes, I can't bring myself to root for the Bengals to lose out (or lose period).

Now, if it happens, and the things I mentioned actually occur, then maybe it's for the best. The thing that worries me is that if we win 2 or 3 more games, most everyone will be back next year. If we somehow win at least 7 games, then Mike probably gives Marvin another extension and everything stays basically the same for a couple more years.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't want us to lose out, or even finish with a losing record...but at the same time, I really want to move on from Marvin and shake the roster up a bit. Ugh, what a season!  

(11-15-2016, 03:42 PM)bengals67 Wrote: I backed them for not signing FAs and I was wrong.

Hey man, no worries, hindsight is 20/20, right?  I just thought that you can't take things for granted, no one knows how things will go, or if you'll even wake up the next morning.  That was why my thoughts were "while you have a good core group, and some decent players around them, make a couple splash signings to put them over the top before the window closes".....cause you never know how quickly the window could close.  Injuries happen, sudden retirement, rapid aging, anything.....

(11-15-2016, 03:13 PM)jason Wrote: Right now they are looking at the 7th pick in the draft. They can probably pick a great CB from that slot.

Please say that's a joke. We have three 1st round pick CBs on the roster excluding Jones. We need o-line / d-line and LB

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(11-15-2016, 03:13 PM)jason Wrote: Right now they are looking at the 7th pick in the draft. They can probably pick a great CB from that slot.

Just imagine the special teams contributions we could get with the 7th pick! We could fill our entire roster with players that can man the gunner position!

(11-15-2016, 03:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Man, as much as I would love to see a top 5 draft pick...as much as I would love to see Marvin and most of the staff gone...as much as I would love to see some meaningful roster changes, I can't bring myself to root for the Bengals to lose out (or lose period).

Now, if it happens, and the things I mentioned actually occur, then maybe it's for the best. The thing that worries me is that if we win a 2 or 3 more games, most everyone will be back next year. If we somehow win at least 7 games, then Mike probably gives Marvin another extension and everything stays basically the same for a couple more years.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't want us to lose out, or even finish with a losing record...but at the same time, I really want to move on from Marvin and shake the roster up a bit. Ugh, what a season!  

We're Bengals fans.  You just know that the team will win a couple meaningless games at the end of the year to knock us out of a better draft position and to give people hope.  We'll hear that it just took the team longer to gel with the new assistant coaches than anyone imagined, but how they are ready to dominate next year.

(11-15-2016, 04:27 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: We're Bengals fans.  You just know that the team will win a couple meaningless games at the end of the year to knock us out of a better draft position and to give people hope.  We'll hear that it just took the team longer to gel with the new assistant coaches than anyone imagined, but how they are ready to dominate next year.

Heck...we meltdown in a playoff game and lose in probably one of the worst ways possible...the 5th playoff loss in a row...and fans expect a Super Bowl run the next year!

(11-15-2016, 03:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Man, as much as I would love to see a top 5 draft pick...as much as I would love to see Marvin and most of the staff gone...as much as I would love to see some meaningful roster changes, I can't bring myself to root for the Bengals to lose out (or lose period).

Now, if it happens, and the things I mentioned actually occur, then maybe it's for the best. The thing that worries me is that if we win a 2 or 3 more games, most everyone will be back next year. If we somehow win at least 7 games, then Mike probably gives Marvin another extension and everything stays basically the same for a couple more years.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't want us to lose out, or even finish with a losing record...but at the same time, I really want to move on from Marvin and shake the roster up a bit. Ugh, what a season!  

I don't know how much hope I'd have for a top 5 pick. I've already accepted that Marvin will be here next season with no coaching changes because Mike Brown. So with Marvin and Co. in the draft room, I'd fully expect us to take someone that gets the fan base excited. We hear all about how they're performing great in camp, we see some plays in preseason. Then we get to the regular season, where our top 5 pick is trotting out onto the football field to cover the kickoff. Then we don't see him again until the next kickoff or punt.

(11-15-2016, 03:13 PM)jason Wrote: Right now they are looking at the 7th pick in the draft. They can probably pick a great CB from that slot.

And not play him for 4 years

(11-15-2016, 02:45 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yessir, and I was one of those that called for outside FA help every year.....if memory serves, so were you.

You, Pistons, me and toast jones were always pushing the hardest. Thank goodness we kept saving up for this 3-5-1 team that never won a single playoff 
game.

I sure hope we don't. Cheer up, it's just a game.

Well if we aren't making the playoffs, then in theory it works out best if we do lose out, since it gives us a prime draft pick.

Flip side to that is it just creates a losing culture. Is the 5th pick more important than being competitive? I dont know tbh, but I do know that the good teams who are good every single season (almost) rarely hold a high pick. You could argue both cases.

(11-15-2016, 08:07 PM)TheCincinnatiKid Wrote: Well if we aren't making the playoffs, then in theory it works out best if we do lose out, since it gives us a prime draft pick.

Flip side to that is it just creates a losing culture. Is the 5th pick more important than being competitive? I dont know tbh, but I do know that the good teams who are good every single season (almost) rarely hold a high pick. You could argue both cases.

A lot of people want a house cleaning. We already know Mike Brown won't do that if they finish near .500. He may not do it if they finish with 3 wins... He's a goofy bastard if nothing else.

Honestly with the 7th pick.. I would take an athletic LB like Rueban Foster, Jabrill Peppers (Beast Hybrid S/LB), Jonathan Allen (Beast DE), or get another weapon for Andy (WR/RB) and take a center and OT with 2nd and 3rd round picks.

This losing streak didn't start this year. It started in the middle of last season when the Bengals finished 4-4 and lost in the playoffs too. Since mid-2015, Cincinnati is 7-10-1. Chew on that for awhile.

(11-15-2016, 08:53 PM)jason Wrote: A lot of people want a house cleaning. We already know Mike Brown won't do that if they finish near .500. He may not do it if they finish with 3 wins... He's a goofy bastard if nothing else.

Yeah much as I want Marv out, I dont think it likely whether we win out or lose out.... im not sure what he has to do to get fired here.

The ironic thing is, we all want Marv gone.... well, the Bengals like to promote from within. Zampese as HC anyone?

(11-15-2016, 10:54 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: This losing streak didn't start this year.  It started in the middle of last season when the Bengals finished 4-4 and lost in the playoffs too.  Since mid-2015, Cincinnati is 7-10-1.  Chew on that for awhile.

We're 0-10-1 against teams with a winning record during this debacle (including playoffs).

Pitiful, awful, inexcusable !

(11-15-2016, 11:19 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: We're 0-10-1 against teams with a winning record during this debacle (including playoffs).

Pitiful, awful, inexcusable !

That is the real shocker that gets lost in all of this. That gets you fired in most other franchises.

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(11-15-2016, 10:47 PM)milksheikh Wrote: Honestly with the 7th pick.. I would take an athletic LB like Rueban Foster, Jabrill Peppers (Beast Hybrid S/LB), Jonathan Allen (Beast DE), or get another weapon for Andy (WR/RB) and take a center and OT with 2nd and 3rd round picks.

I would love to see Jabril Peppers end up here.  Perhaps he could finally end our inability to cover tight ends.