(12-12-2016, 05:17 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: He averages 2.5 seconds a throw because those short passes take as long to throw on average as his long passes

Uh, no they do not.  The WR screens and short throws are all released much faster than the deep throws.  Anyone who watches the games can see this.

It is absurd to claim that everythrow Dalton makes is released in exactly the same time.

(12-11-2016, 06:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No he did not.  Mathis started ahead of Livings in games 4-8 in '09 before getting injured.  In 2010 he did not deserve to start.

Lmao Fred. We disagreed on this forever.

Meanwhile Mathis leaves becomes All pro with the Eagles and Livings goes to the Cowboys sucks it up and gets cut. :paul:

(12-12-2016, 05:17 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: He averages 2.5 seconds a throw because those short passes take as long to throw on average as his long passes

Try this next time you watch a football game.

Look at a stopwatch when a QB throws a wr screen or quick hitch or slant.  The ball will often leave his hand in less than a second.

Now look at the stopwatch when a qb takes a seven step drop and make his reads to throw a deep ball.  It will take a lot longer for the ball to leave his hand than when he throws an immediate QB screen or quick slant.

(12-15-2016, 02:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Try this next time you watch a football game.

Look at a stopwatch when a QB throws a wr screen or quick hitch or slant.  The ball will often leave his hand in less than a second.

Now look at the stopwatch when a qb takes a seven step drop and make his reads to throw a deep ball.  It will take a lot longer for the ball to leave his hand than when he throws an immediate QB screen or quick slant.

We're talking about an average. Many times he has to wait or scramble to throw the ball. Some short throws might take 4 seconds. W'ERE TALKING ABOUT AVERAGE TIME TO THROW. PUT A STOP WATCH ON IT . DONT JUST TALK OUT OF YOUR ASS.

The math even shows the time for short throws is the same.

(12-15-2016, 04:06 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: We're talking about an average. Many times he has to wait or scramble to throw the ball. Some short throws might take 4 seconds. W'ERE TALKING ABOUT AVERAGE TIME TO THROW. PUT A STOP WATCH ON IT . DONT JUST TALK OUT OF YOUR ASS.

The math even shows the time for short throws is the same.

Fred likes to talk out of his ass though...

(12-11-2016, 06:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No he did not.  Mathis started ahead of Livings in games 4-8 in '09 before getting injured.  In 2010 he did not deserve to start.

Yes. Thank God we started Livings or 2010 could've been a real disaster.

(12-15-2016, 08:22 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yes. Thank God we started Livings or 2010 could've been a real disaster.

Yeah.......oh.......wait.....

(12-15-2016, 08:22 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yes. Thank God we started Livings or 2010 could've been a real disaster.

(12-16-2016, 12:32 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yeah.......oh.......wait.....

(12-15-2016, 08:22 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yes. Thank God we started Livings or 2010 could've been a real disaster.

In the famous words "well the Bengals were a better team that year that most here give them credit for" 

(12-16-2016, 01:06 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote:

You laugh, but without Livings, those 10 straight losses could've easily been 11 or 12. 

He really saved our season. 

(12-16-2016, 03:32 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: You laugh, but without Livings, those 10 straight losses could've easily been 11 or 12. 

He really saved our season. 

  Just quit it Shake