(01-08-2017, 06:52 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: I would say all of the above answers play some part in it.

The NFL Steelers have been around since 1945.

They have been the most consistent organization since 1972.

The NFL Bengals have been around since 1968.

From 1968 to 1990 when Paul Brown was the owner, in spite of the most horrible, hindsight, choice he made by hiring Tiger Johnson over Bill Walsh as his HC replacement, when Brown stepped down as HC, here is the Bengals/Steelers regular season game record:

(Keep in mind the Bengals were in the AFL the first two years 1968 and 1969 and did not play the Steelers)

1970-1990 Bengals W/L Record with Steelers

Wins  Losses
  23       18

From 1991 to the present, under the ownership of Mike Brown

1991-Present Bengals W/L Record with Steelers


Wins   Losses
  14         37

You decide!!!

Interesting stat

Hey we could be missing something. Why don't the Steelers have all the great stuff mentioned when Landry Jones is their starting QB?

(01-08-2017, 07:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hey we could be missing something. Why don't the Steelers have all the great stuff mentioned when Landry Jones is their starting QB?

Because, despite being the most consistent team over a period of 4 and a half decades, they still come nowhere close to the organization the Patriots are and have been since 2001, who win EVEN when Tom Brady DOESN'T play!!

(There's an a Dalton mega thread if you want to start something)

Another difference is that the Bengals qb isn't a sex criminal.

(01-08-2017, 07:05 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Because, despite being the most consistent team over a period of 4 and a half decades, they still come nowhere close to the organization the Patriots are and have been since 2001, who win EVEN when Tom Brady DOESN'T play!!

(There's an a Dalton mega thread if you want to start something)

First off: No there is not

Secondly: The Pats have missed the playoffs once in the last 14 years. Guess what happened that year.

(01-08-2017, 07:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: First off: No there is not

Secondly: The Pats have missed the playoffs once in the last 14 years. Guess what happened that year.

They went 11-5 with Matt Cassell, a record that 90% of the time gets you in the playoffs.

They won 3 out of the 4 games without Brady this year and probably would have gone 4-0 had the 2nd and 3rd QBs not gotten hurt.

Brady also went 15-1 in 2007 and lost to a Giants 10-6 team in the SB.

And your point is?????????

(01-08-2017, 07:30 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: They went 11-5 with Matt Cassell, a record that 90% of the time gets you in the playoffs.

They won 3 out of the 4 games without Brady this year and probably would have gone 4-0 had the 2nd and 3rd QBs not gotten hurt.

Brady also went 15-1 in 2007 and lost to a Giants 10-6 team in the SB.

And your point is?????????

You didn't guess what happened the one year the Pats didn't make the playoffs in the last 14. 

I agree with Bfine. And I have nothing negative to say about Dalton. It's just that Ben is one badass quarterback. He's incredibly tough, has great vision, a cannon arm and you can't get him down. He can get hit three times, still be on his feet and fire a rope 35 yards down field and hit somebody in the numbers.

They have other very good players, but you take Ben out of there and they come back to the pack.

The Steelers' offensive scheme hasn't changed since Chuck Noll left Pittsburgh and the only major change the Steelers have made since 1980 is adopting a base 3-4 defense. The "Steel Curtain" was a 4-3. Never forget that.

(01-08-2017, 07:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You didn't guess what happened the one year the Pats didn't make the playoffs in the last 14. 

The Steelers won playoff games in 1984, 1989, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, and 2002 including one losing effort in the Super Bowl with NFL QB household names like Bubby Brister, Mike Maddox, Kordell Stewart, and Neil Odonell. All first ballot HoFers right ?

You're correct it's not that they've developed a winning culture and are committed to continuing it. It's just that they got lucky with a QB in the oo's. 

LMAO

Better leadership in the front office, on the sidelines, and in the huddles.

They have smarter people.

when you've been a bengal fan for 30 years, the surprise about the bengals isn't their ineptitude or the losses or massive failure to win a playoff game. the surprise as a bengal fan would be winning a super bowl. makes you numb after the first 25 years of fandom of this team. it doesn't make me puke anymore. i just expect it, can't stop being a fan, it's like being in an abusive relationship you just can't seem to get out of.

Does not hurt to have the refs in your back pocket when they do not have their "A" game either.

I really think it has to do with organizational culture...which is created by upper management and trickles down to the coaches and players.

The Bengals are comparable to the Lions. You just knew the Lions would lose to the Packers last week to lose the division...and then lose to the Seahawks this week...

They are very good with their draft choices and have coaches who develop and put their players in a position succeed. The Bengals are the opposite.

Bengals have a reputation for drafting so well these past few years. Its hard to see how well the players panned out till years later and for the most part these players haven't panned out well at all.

(01-08-2017, 07:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You didn't guess what happened the one year the Pats didn't make the playoffs in the last 14. 

the steelers beat the cardinals in the super bowl is what happened.

Just think how good the Bengals would be if the refs told the oline they could hold every play, the defense they could take all the cheap shots they wanted, and they would only flag them a couple of times a game. Cincy would win just about every game as well....

(01-08-2017, 05:40 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: I thought the commissioner was a patriots fan? Aren't Goodell and Kraft like Marvin and Mike Brown? 

If so why fight so hard to punish Brady. Come on dude.

(01-08-2017, 08:39 PM)GodFather Wrote: They are very good with their draft choices and have coaches who develop and put their players in a position succeed. The Bengals are the opposite.

Bengals have a reputation for drafting so well these past few years. Its hard to see how well the players panned out till years later and for the most part these players haven't panned out well at all.

Yep. Essentially their upper management is better than ours.

We have a de facto GM that hasn't work a playoff game in 26+ years...and he's still in the same position.