The difference?

1. Accountability
2. Tomlin > Marvin Lewis

(01-08-2017, 11:23 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: There's little doubt Big Jen is a major factor in the Steelers recent winning history. But he's only a minor part in the big picture of the difference between a winning culture as set up by the Steelers organization thru the years.  And the dysfunctional, undisciplined, total lack of accountability set up here by Mike Brown and of late Marvin Lewis.

Winning is the only goal there, the only focus. Here winning is desirable but not demanded. Money , loyalty, and doing it my way take precedence.

In the end there's a major difference in the cultures and the results reflect that.

I agree with this and would like to add one thing....Most fans of Pittsburgh do not like Mike Tomlin and as matter of fact there has been rumblings, even this year, that players are not his biggest supporters at times.  This brings up the question I have posed in the past about our playoff losses.  When do the players put it on their shoulders and win a damn game?  This is not pee wee football where some coaches are coaches and some other coach is the dad of the QB and has little football knowledge.  These are professional athletes...At some point they need to be accountable also.  Maybe this is part of the culture also...Steelers players go out and play their hearts out to win for their team and franchise..

(01-09-2017, 12:10 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The difference?

1. Accountability
2. Tomlin > Marvin Lewis

we shall see how accountable Mike Tomlin is when we see how he reacts to this

Joey Porter arrested
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/08/joey-porter-arrested-after-reported-altercation-with-police/

Joey Porter arrested after reported altercation with policeetty Images

The Steelers beat the Dolphins on Sunday afternoon, but the rest of the day doesn’t appear to have gone as well for their outside linebackers coach Joey Porter.
Chris Mueller of the Beaver County Times reports that Porter was handcuffed and placed in the back seat of a police car outside of a bar in the Southside area of Pittsburgh on Sunday evening. Mueller reports that Porter was handcuffed following an altercation with a police officer.
CBS Pittsburgh confirmed with Pittsburgh Public Safety spokesperson Sonya Toler that Porter has been arrested.
“We are aware of an incident tonight involving Joey Porter,” Steelers spokesman Burt Lauten said, via Mueller. “We are still gathering information as it pertains to the situation, and we will have no further comment until we get more details.”
Porter is in his third year as a Steelers coach and played eight years for the team.

(01-09-2017, 12:41 AM)pally Wrote: we shall see how accountable Mike Tomlin is when we see how he reacts to this

Joey Porter arrested
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/08/joey-porter-arrested-after-reported-altercation-with-police/

Joey Porter arrested after reported altercation with policeetty Images

The Steelers beat the Dolphins on Sunday afternoon, but the rest of the day doesn’t appear to have gone as well for their outside linebackers coach Joey Porter.
Chris Mueller of the Beaver County Times reports that Porter was handcuffed and placed in the back seat of a police car outside of a bar in the Southside area of Pittsburgh on Sunday evening. Mueller reports that Porter was handcuffed following an altercation with a police officer.
CBS Pittsburgh confirmed with Pittsburgh Public Safety spokesperson Sonya Toler that Porter has been arrested.
“We are aware of an incident tonight involving Joey Porter,” Steelers spokesman Burt Lauten said, via Mueller. “We are still gathering information as it pertains to the situation, and we will have no further comment until we get more details.”
Porter is in his third year as a Steelers coach and played eight years for the team.

What, did he punch another guy when his back was turned? 

(01-09-2017, 12:50 AM)Pat5775 Wrote: What, did he punch another guy when his back was turned? 

Sounds about right. 

He's always been a POS.

Guarantee Porter gets a slap on the wrist, if anything. Whenever someone talks shit about Tez, I always point to Joey...

Unlike in here, the Steeler fans will not be crying and moaning about which of their players or COACHES is the dirtiest. They'll call it the "steeler way" while you thumb suckers cry about every Bengal show of aggression. Steeler fans don't give a F !

Adam Jones is out of jail, Joey Porter is in...

Because ownership and coaching here are a joke and we don't have the refs in our pockets.

(01-09-2017, 12:41 AM)pally Wrote: we shall see how accountable Mike Tomlin is when we see how he reacts to this

Joey Porter arrested
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/08/joey-porter-arrested-after-reported-altercation-with-police/

Joey Porter arrested after reported altercation with policeetty Images

The Steelers beat the Dolphins on Sunday afternoon, but the rest of the day doesn’t appear to have gone as well for their outside linebackers coach Joey Porter.
Chris Mueller of the Beaver County Times reports that Porter was handcuffed and placed in the back seat of a police car outside of a bar in the Southside area of Pittsburgh on Sunday evening. Mueller reports that Porter was handcuffed following an altercation with a police officer.
CBS Pittsburgh confirmed with Pittsburgh Public Safety spokesperson Sonya Toler that Porter has been arrested.
“We are aware of an incident tonight involving Joey Porter,” Steelers spokesman Burt Lauten said, via Mueller. “We are still gathering information as it pertains to the situation, and we will have no further comment until we get more details.”
Porter is in his third year as a Steelers coach and played eight years for the team.

Well as tickled as I am at the arrest of Porter, he doesn't have quite the history with violence related arrests that Pacman does, and even this incident doesn't sound like it involved violence. The accountability I'm more worried about is with underperforming players and coaches. You don't see the Steelers hanging on to bad players and coaches like the Bengals do. They've also been more prone to release problem players than the Bengals (think Santonio Holmes, Blount, countless no name players, etc).

Pretty simple. They just have more talent than us.

Bell > Hill
Ben > Andy

Their defense > our defense.

Not really that complicated.

(01-08-2017, 07:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hey we could be missing something. Why don't the Steelers have all the great stuff mentioned when Landry Jones is their starting QB?

Exactly. 

People can talk about the organization and how its full of "winners" and blah blah blah all day, but it comes down to the talent on the field. 

The Steelers just have better players right now than the Bengals. Its that simple. 

(01-08-2017, 07:56 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The Steelers' offensive scheme hasn't changed since Chuck Noll left Pittsburgh and the only major change the Steelers have made since 1980 is adopting a base 3-4 defense.  The "Steel Curtain" was a 4-3.  Never forget that.  

Dude Todd Haley came in a couple years ago and completely changed how that offense works. 

(01-08-2017, 09:46 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Pay attention!  I answered that with the 11-5 Matt Cassell season.  The one thing I DO agree with what Marvin has said, is that unless you win the last playoff game, it doesn't matter which one you lose before that, provided you have 'make' the playoffs, to being with, to have a 'chance' to win the last game.

You weren't standing up for Fat Boy with your original post, you were bashing Dalton.

Well guess what genius, the Bengals couldn't win their last playoff game with Kenny Anderson or Boomer Boy either!  They couldn't get it done since they birthed in 1968 and the Browns still have 8 more championships then they do!!!

So the next time someone makes fun of the Browns or their fans, just keep in mind they have 8 more than the Bengals do!!! 

If you were an owner and you had to to start a team from scratch, which QB would you take, both in their prime? Dalton or Ben? 

If you had to start one of those guys in a playoff game tomorrow, who would you take? Dalton or Ben? 

Thats what I thought. 

the answer is simple....one person and one person only the Rapist Ben Roethlisberger

Look at how that team struggles when he doesn't play, they can't win

put him in and everything changes

they've been fortunate to have this guy and he alone is the single reason why they have been so successful

(01-09-2017, 10:22 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Dude Todd Haley came in a couple years ago and completely changed how that offense works. 

Maybe, but to my eye the Steelers look the same as they did in the 1970s on offense.

(01-09-2017, 10:17 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Pretty simple. They just have more talent than us.

Bell > Hill
Ben > Andy

Their defense > our defense.

Not really that complicated.

The funny thing is in the 2013 NFL Draft...Bernard was the 1st RB taken and Bell 2nd.

We could have drafted Bell.

(01-09-2017, 10:58 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Maybe, but to my eye the Steelers look the same as they did in the 1970s on offense.

Arians was a good OC there too and I think he was the one that changed their offense from power running to passing.

Re: What Haley is doing - Bell is probably the best RB in football. Brown is probably the best WR in football. Roethlisberger is a top 5-7 QB. How hard is it to be a good OC when you have all of that?

(01-09-2017, 11:06 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Arians was a good OC there too and I think he was the one that changed their offense from power running to passing.

Re: What Haley is doing - Bell is probably the best RB in football. Brown is probably the best WR in football. Roethlisberger is a top 5-7 QB. How hard is it to be a good OC when you have all of that?

The Bengals have all of that -- with an offensive line that couldn't block a thermal neutron. Mike Munchak is a former head coach who coaches the Pittsburgh offensive line. Paul Alexander plays the piano. He's okay at it unless he has to play in the key of C or G. Then everything sounds flat and slow.

(01-08-2017, 05:27 PM)Marlon23 Wrote: Why are they winners? and why are we always the Losers? Why, I just don't understand it.

This type of thread is exactly why this fanbase gets no respect around the league. Disgusting display of fandom in here boys and girls. Repugnant!