12-05-2017, 04:21 PM
(12-05-2017, 04:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote:
Dry your tears, cupcake. Life is unfair sometimes.
Bengals fans understand that.
Vontez just needs an attitude adjustment
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12-05-2017, 04:21 PM
(12-05-2017, 04:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Bengals fans understand that.
12-05-2017, 04:23 PM
(12-05-2017, 04:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: He did. Still got the H2H. If "he did", how did his helmet hit Burfict square in the jaw? Magic? "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
12-05-2017, 04:55 PM
IIRC JJSS's shoulder hit first then his helmet caught VBs chin. Momentum is a son of a *****. But regardless thats a penalty. And Im almost 100% certain that you are not allowed to hit a guy who is not looking at you, so the helmet to chin hit is a moot point. Maybe someone can peruse the rule book and clarify but the days of "keeping your head on a swivel" are over.
12-05-2017, 05:07 PM
(12-05-2017, 10:15 AM)michaelsean Wrote: And just as an aside, shouldn't it have been 30 yds in penalties? Like the Bengal-Steeler playoff game. One was during the play and one after. I remember researching this after that game. From what I remember you cannot have 2 personal fouls on the same play....except if one is a foul against a referee. And that's what Pac Man did. I read that Boomer was questioning why it wasn't 30 yards, which is kind of funny because you would think that he would KNOW the rules being in his position. **edit, it's not two personal fouls, it's two fouls**
12-05-2017, 05:17 PM
Yep, here it is....
Rule 14 Section 1 Article 3 Exception A If you could, take this to the JN. Im forbidden and there's a large number of posters who think that the refs screwed that up and that its some kind of conspiracy against the Bengals and for the Steelers. http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/17_2013_Penalty_Enforcement.pdf
12-05-2017, 05:42 PM
(12-05-2017, 05:17 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Yep, here it is.... If that is the rule, it is dumb rule. But, if the personal foul was committed during the play (illegal hit), then the officials should have give option of fouls being marked off from original LOS which I believe was around the 40 or after the dead ball at 49 of Bengals. Either way, Steelers should have been 2nd and 25 and not 2nd and 16. It was not a holding call during the play so no different than roughing the passer, penalty should be enforced back at original LOS 2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
12-05-2017, 06:45 PM
(12-05-2017, 05:42 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: But, if the personal foul was committed during the play (illegal hit), then the officials should have give option of fouls being marked off from original LOS which I believe was around the 40 or after the dead ball at 49 of Bengals. Either way, Steelers should have been 2nd and 25 and not 2nd and 16. It was not a holding call during the play so no different than roughing the passer, penalty should be enforced back at original LOSNo Rule 14 Section 3 Article 6 Enforced from the spot of the foul
12-05-2017, 06:53 PM
On the Rich Eisen show today they said the NFL said that juju's hit on Vontez was "Karma" what ever that means.
It was also reported that when juju was standing over vontez he was asking him if he was alright. What do you stink was worse, juju's hit or Gronk's hit on that guy laying down out of bounds?
12-05-2017, 08:14 PM
12-05-2017, 08:28 PM
(12-05-2017, 06:53 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: On the Rich Eisen show today they said the NFL said that juju's hit on Vontez was "Karma" what ever that means. Saying Karma is the most stupid thing. Karma doesn't materialize in the form of Mr. Tschutschu. It was him, he's no god of destiny in the avatar of a classless player. "Asking if he was alright", yeah sure, that's how they roll. While Brown hops around shouting Karma, Karma. Very believable. Gronk's hit was even worse, doesn't mean anything though. The penalties are way too modest. Gronk won't care about one game, the Steelers don't care about one game for Mr. Tschutschu, and yep Burfict probably got away too easy at times as well, and even AJ for headlocking Ramsey. And so it goes on. Steelers Bengals games are dirty, and that lack of being consequential is a part of that. Pulling shit like that is effective. Putting the taunting atop the dirty hit - it's a freebie anyway, and so no one could doubt that it was an intentional move - adds yet another dimension of crappy, yet surprisingly effective behaviour. Not that it means much, both teams sure are guilty of keeping the dynamics of dirty going, but the Steelers seem to manage to reach into the bottommost drawer more often than not, what makes them win that unworthy contest. And as long as the NFL kind of lets it slide, the games will keep dirty and unworthy of being called sportsmanlike.
12-05-2017, 10:46 PM
(12-05-2017, 06:53 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: On the Rich Eisen show today they said the NFL said that juju's hit on Vontez was "Karma" what ever that means. Weird... I listen to that show everyday and amazingly all they really said was Antonio Brown popped open his **** holster and called it karma. Rich Eisen said that hit has no place in the game, but whatever helps your blind homerism feel better kiddo.
12-06-2017, 04:08 PM
12-06-2017, 04:16 PM
12-06-2017, 05:04 PM
(12-06-2017, 03:50 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Add a stretcher bearers coming up in the background for effect.
12-06-2017, 10:58 PM
(12-05-2017, 03:57 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well the NFL has a new precedent. Did you never look at the clip of Burfict and the KC player? He doesn’t even touch his helmet and drew a 3 game suspension. Same rule I believe. You have to make contact in the front.
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12-07-2017, 12:10 AM
People ***** and moan about Burfict and his antics.
What the hell do you think is going to happen now that some WR cleaned his clock on national television? I can see Keith Rivers. That guy just goes about his business. There was ZERO chance of him going after someone at any point later in his career. Guess i'll just sit back and wait for my opportunity, which, if you believe the hype-machine about Burfict, is definitely coming--to shout "KARMA", like some dumbass, hypocritical Steelers fan. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
12-07-2017, 12:23 AM
(12-06-2017, 10:58 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Did you never look at the clip of Burfict and the KC player? He doesn’t even touch his helmet and drew a 3 game suspension. Same rule I believe. You have to make contact in the front.
I'd explain that Bufict hits him from the side/behind vs JuJu and Burfict in a line going toward each other and Burfict getting hit in the chest...but really what could a Steelers fan say that and Bengals fan wouldn't think is tainted? I mean not even the NFL could explain it to the Bengals. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/08/28/vontaze-burfict-says-his-hit-was-legal-the-nfl-strongly-believes-otherwise-whos-right/?utm_term=.d7f0d9be6a48 Quote:According to a person familiar with the NFL’s deliberations, the league believes that Burfict’s suspension is warranted under the new directive. It also believes that Burfict’s suspension would have been warranted even without the new measure given it was an illegal hit, in the NFL’s view, delivered by a player with a long history of on-field infractions. Discipline also might have been warranted based merely on the unnecessary roughness of the hit, in the league’s view. So, to the NFL, it was a straightforward decision and a relatively easy call. So what difference would it make?
12-07-2017, 12:31 AM
(12-07-2017, 12:23 AM)GMDino Wrote: You literally have no clue. 1. Burfict's hit was both stupid and unnecessary, but it wasn't dirty. 2. JJSS's hit was necessary but it, like Burfict's, was illegal, but it wasn't dirty either. Standing over top of a guy is both illegal and douchetastic. Both hits were nearly identical, yet here you are, trying to say Burfict's was somehow worse. You should attempt to extract your head from your ass once in a while, at least. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
12-07-2017, 08:06 AM
(12-07-2017, 12:31 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You literally have no clue. One hit was from behind...one was dead on. JuJu's hit the helmet, illegal. The NFL said Burfict's hit the helmet, illegal. One, as you say was necessary as he was blocking for the runner. The other was away from the play and added on to Burfict's body of "work". Even the NFL said the taunting was not the reason for the suspension: https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/NFL-Taunting-not-a-factor-in-Pittsburgh-Steelers-WR-JuJu-Smith-Schusters-one-game-suspension-111851273
That's not even looking at the other hit that was they admit was retaliatory that was clearly a head shot that the suspension appeal was won. Maybe fans are more upset about another come from behind loss to the Steelers than this one hit. |
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