With 3rd round picks Sam Hubbard and Malik Jefferson signing their contracts today, the Bengals entire 2018 draft class is under contract. Now they can focus on the important extensions

(06-21-2018, 08:01 PM)pally Wrote: With 3rd round picks Sam Hubbard and Malik Jefferson signing their contracts today, the Bengals entire 2018 draft class is under contract.  Now they can focus on the important extensions

Good to hear.

With the current CBA, contract slotting already pretty much predetermined and all, it makes little sense for any draft pick to "hold out" as a rookie these days. To my way of thinking, all selections should be signed in a week or two of the draft.

(06-21-2018, 09:42 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: With the current CBA, contract slotting already pretty much predetermined and all, it makes little sense for any draft pick to "hold out" as a rookie these days. To my way of thinking, all selections should be signed in a week or two of the draft.

You would think that a good agent recommends a quick hastle free signing while telling the player that they will make the big money on his next contract.

(06-21-2018, 09:56 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: You would think that a good agent recommends a quick hustle free signing while telling the player that they will make the big money on his next contract.

My point is, the amounts are pretty much already predetermined.  What is there to negotiate?

(06-21-2018, 10:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: My point is, the amounts are pretty much already predetermined.  What is there to negotiate?

I get that. I’m just saying that it would be stupid to moan about a few more bucks anyways. I agree with your point.

Now let's get down to business

(06-21-2018, 10:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: My point is, the amounts are pretty much already predetermined.  What is there to negotiate?

Number of red m&m's vs those nasty yeller ones..   Hubbard hung out for Bengal helmet m&m's...and really, who wouldn't ?
In fact Bengals helmet m&m's should be the standard snack sold at all Bengals home games for at least $8.99 for a 2 gram package . If you have to ask why then you're obviously not a real Bengals fan! 

It feels like this could be one of the better draft classes we've had in a while.

Definitely one of the best years in awhile, and we haven’t played a game yet.

(06-21-2018, 09:42 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: With the current CBA, contract slotting already pretty much predetermined and all, it makes little sense for any draft pick to "hold out" as a rookie these days.  To my way of thinking, all selections should be signed in a week or two of the draft.

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(06-21-2018, 10:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: My point is, the amounts are pretty much already predetermined.  What is there to negotiate?

I think I remember reading that size and timing of the signing bonus, and in some cases where they want to sign the contract because it could mean more taxes. So really just a matter of timing with taxes and when they get their payouts.

(06-22-2018, 06:40 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Definitely one of the best years in awhile, and we haven’t played a game yet.

one of the best in years and we have not  played a game yet...  LOL

(06-22-2018, 08:57 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: I think I remember reading that size and timing of the signing bonus, and in some cases where they want to sign the contract because it could mean more taxes. So really just a matter of timing with taxes and when they get their payouts.

That’s a very good point that I never thought about.

Love the new rule and do not miss the holdouts.

nice was wondering if I had missed this piece of news somewhere.

(06-22-2018, 02:09 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Love the new rule and do not miss the holdouts.

trying to remember our last holdout...    was it andre smith?

(06-22-2018, 02:14 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: trying to remember our last holdout...    was it andre smith?

I think it was. Seems the new CBA went into effect the following year.

(06-21-2018, 10:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: My point is, the amounts are pretty much already predetermined.  What is there to negotiate?

Offset language is the biggest thing at this point.  That was the reason bosa held out so long. 

With not much left to negotiate in rookie deals, rookies taken at the top of the draft in recent years have pushed for a term that allows them to keep the full amount of their guaranteed four-year contracts plus whatever they receive elsewhere, if they stink enough to get cut by the team that drafted them. Many teams hope to avoid double-dipping, a minor consolation to the fact that a top-10 pick was so bad in his first four years that the team had to cut him.

Fewer teams omit offset language, but some still do. The Rams, per a source with knowledge of the deal, removed offset language from the contract given to Jared Goff (pictured) at No. 1. Then again, the Rams annually have removed offset language for guaranteed money in rookie contracts, regardless of the spot in round one where the player was taken.

At No. 5, the Jaguars also removed offset language for cornerback Jalen Ramsey, consistent with the team’s habit when consistently picking in the top five (but not for much longer).
The only unsigned top-10 pick, Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa, is believed to be seeking no offset language as part of a standoff that caused him to skip mandatory minicamp. But while the fact that the No. 1 and No. 5 picks avoided it, the guys taken at No. 2 and No. 4 have it.
For several top-10 draft picks, the fallback to removing offset language arises from a cash-flow structure that forces the team to make a decision early in the later years of the deal, if the wind is blowing in the direction of blasting the guy off the roster. This year, four of the players taken in the first 10 picks have a structure that will bring the issue to a head earlier than the start of the regular season.
Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz, the second overall pick, has guaranteed roster bonuses payable early in training camp for 2017, 2018, and 2019. So if the Eagles are going to cut him and avoid a Wentz double dip, they need to do so before camp — which in turn would give him a better chance to land elsewhere than if he’s dumped unceremoniously after the preseason ends.
Players with similar structures include 49ers defensive end DeForest Buckner (pick No. 7), Titans tackle Jack Conklin (pick No. 8), and Bears linebacker Leonard Floyd (pick No. 9). For the other players taken in the top 10, their teams have both offset language and the ability to make a decision about whether to keep the player after fully assessing his performance in training camp and the preseason, for each and every year of his contract.
Again, teams that ultimately are required to cut the cord on a top-10 pick in less than four years have far bigger issues than whether they’ll have to pay the full amount of a failed player’s contract. But with little about which to squabble, draft picks and teams are still squabbling about, essentially, the procedures for cleaning up the aftermath of a worst-case scenario.

(06-22-2018, 06:39 AM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: It feels like this could be one of the better draft classes we've had in a while.

Last year we had 6 draft picks who played over 25% of the offense or defense snaps (not counting special teams).  Lawson 42%, Mixon 40%, Glasglow 36%, Willis 31%,  Evans 27%, and Malone 26%.  That is very rare for us.  In fact it is the same number of rookies playing over 25% as from our previous 4 drafts combined ('16 Boyd 68%, '15 Kroft 33%, '14 Hill 47% and Bodine 100%, '13 Bernard 54% and Eifert 59%).  The '17 class production is even more impressive when you consider we got ZERO from the first round.

If we get that type of contribution from this year's draft and Ross becomes a starter we will be in pretty good shape.