Didn't think I'd say this, but could Kevin Coyle come back and be the new DC? He'd be an upgrade over Austin IMO.

Over the past ten years I always thought the Bengals had a respectable, above average, defense. Maybe not elite (that 20125 defense was elite, imo) but pretty good none the less.

This is the first time I can remember in a long time where the defesne is just flat out awful.

With the players they have on that side of the ball, there is no excuse for them playing the way they have been playing. Heads need to roll.

(10-22-2018, 11:23 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Over the past ten years I always thought the Bengals had a respectable, above average, defense. Maybe not elite (that 20125 defense was elite, imo) but pretty good none the less.

This is the first time I can remember in a long time where the defesne is just flat out awful.

With the players they have on that side of the ball, there is no excuse for them playing the way they have been playing. Heads need to roll.

The biggest head scratcher is the play in the secondary.  Austin was rumored to be a DBs specialist, having been a DBs coach, prior to making the jump to coordinator.

We need the Bill Lazor equivalent on defense to come in after we fire Austin who seems to be the Ken Zampese equivalent.

Or really, just anyone who can teach some basic freaking tackling. Why even have a defense if you aren't going to tackle?

This defense allows 29 points per game. That’s worse than bad.

(10-22-2018, 11:27 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The biggest head scratcher is the play in the secondary.  Austin was rumored to be a DBs specialist, having been a DBs coach, prior to making the jump to coordinator.

What we heard after the Austin hiring and through the offseason, was a total BS story. "Creating Turnovers", don't you at least have to be near a receiver to create a turnover?  I swear they could take some schlub, setting in row 3 and let him play QB against our D and as wide open as receivers are, he'd look like an NFL QB...

The only turnovers this defense creates come from a box in the freezer section at Kroger.

He is hamstrung by the LBers that can't cover and can't play in space. What the hell was Duke thinking in signing Brown. Also Jefferson needs to sink or swim;Play the kid!

(10-22-2018, 12:09 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: He is hamstrung by the LBers that can't cover and can't play in space. What the hell was Duke thinking in signing Brown. Also Jefferson needs to sink or swim;Play the kid!

I honestly wouldn't be oppossed to moving Shawn Williams to LB and starting Fej at SS and basically running nickel and dime all game.  Williams tackles better than our LB's, anyways, so it's not like we'd be losing that much against power runs.

The issue last night was the offense.

KC was expected to put up the yards and points.

As Collinsworth pointed out, they have done it against good teams in NFL this year - Patriots, Pitt, Jags, Chargers.

The difference in those games was that their offenses gave their defense at least a breather.

It's time to regroup and look at both schemes..... and the OL and DL.

The bye can't come any sooner.

(10-22-2018, 12:32 PM)Whatever Wrote: I honestly wouldn't be oppossed to moving Shawn Williams to LB and starting Fej at SS and basically running nickel and dime all game.  Williams tackles better than our LB's, anyways, so it's not like we'd be losing that much against power runs.

I was thinking the same thing, Willams has never been a good saftey and did well as a nickle linebacker a few years ago. Also thought Jordan Evans was supposed to be a fast undersized nickle linebacker that could run and cover ?

(10-22-2018, 12:32 PM)Whatever Wrote: I honestly wouldn't be oppossed to moving Shawn Williams to LB and starting Fej at SS and basically running nickel and dime all game.  Williams tackles better than our LB's, anyways, so it's not like we'd be losing that much against power runs.

Honestly thought that was the plan at the beginning of the year after we drafted Bates but instead we Cut Iloka and there goes are 3 safety looks. Never understood that move.

Unfortunately the past three games the OL has come crashing to earth. Hopkins is in over his head and Redmond and Hart are lost out there. Even Glenn has had bad plays and last night Boling looked bad too. Add in the loss of Eifert, Gio and now Ross (who limped off almost immediately after his first game back was started) and right now we have a badly gimped offense.

Defensively it is a combination of injuries (LB, Secondary) and poor scheme putting players in the wrong spots and playing the wrong type of defense. I said after the Carolina fiasco that Austin needed to be fired immediately; I still think he does. It literally does not matter who you bring in - ANYONE could do better.

(10-22-2018, 01:04 PM)Joelist Wrote: Unfortunately the past three games the OL has come crashing to earth. Hopkins is in over his head and Redmond and Hart are lost out there. Even Glenn has had bad plays and last night Boling looked bad too. Add in the loss of Eifert, Gio and now Ross (who limped off almost immediately after his first game back was started) and right now we have a badly gimped offense.

Defensively it is a combination of injuries (LB, Secondary) and poor scheme putting players in the wrong spots and playing the wrong type of defense. I said after the Carolina fiasco that Austin needed to be fired immediately; I still think he does. It literally does not matter who you bring in - ANYONE could do better.

I don't understand Austin philosophy at all. He preaches turnovers but yet we play soft coverage and we allow QBs easy short completions.  You have to be aggressive at the line of scrimmage in this game and he simply isn't.

(10-22-2018, 12:32 PM)Whatever Wrote: I honestly wouldn't be oppossed to moving Shawn Williams to LB and starting Fej at SS and basically running nickel and dime all game.  Williams tackles better than our LB's, anyways, so it's not like we'd be losing that much against power runs.

(10-22-2018, 12:54 PM)lone bengal Wrote: I was thinking the same thing, Willams has never been a good saftey and did well as a nickle linebacker a few years ago. Also thought Jordan Evans  was supposed to be a fast undersized nickle linebacker that could run and cover ?

(10-22-2018, 01:03 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Honestly thought that was the plan at the beginning of the year after we drafted Bates but instead we Cut Iloka and there goes are 3 safety looks. Never understood that move.

Here's the thing.  I've never thought of Williams as a good tackler.  If anything, I've always been critical of him trying to land kill shots, rather than wrapping up, or making plays on the ball.  (oddly enough, I saw that he DID get an INT last night)  

(10-22-2018, 01:14 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: I don't understand Austin philosophy at all. He preaches turnovers but yet we play soft coverage and we allow QBs easy short completions.  You have to be aggressive at the line of scrimmage in this game and he simply isn't.

I dont think ML lets him be aggressive. When Guenther was promoted to DC, one of the players said he was excited because Guenther was often the designer of the defenses blitz schemes that Zimmer called. But we saw little of that when he was DC. Now we see little aggressive play calling from a so called aggressive coordinator. 

This has ML stink all over it. 

(10-22-2018, 01:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Here's the thing.  I've never thought of Williams as a good tackler.  If anything, I've always been critical of him trying to land kill shots, rather than wrapping up, or making plays on the ball.  (oddly enough, I saw that he DID get an INT last night)  

He did.....on a horrible throw by Mahommes.  I guess the only one he had all night.....lol.

(10-22-2018, 01:19 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: I dont think ML lets him be aggressive. When Guenther was promoted to DC, one of the players said he was excited because Guenther was often the designer of the defenses blitz schemes that Zimmer called. But we saw little of that when he was DC. Now we see little aggressive play calling from a so called aggressive coordinator. 

This has ML stink all over it. 

Bingo!! 

Y'all better get used to Austin. He ain't going anywhere. He was brought in to be the next head coach.

(10-22-2018, 01:50 PM)Fullrock Wrote: Y'all better get used to Austin. He ain't going anywhere. He was brought in to be the next head coach.

I do hope that you are just blowing off some frustration, as that would seem to be a move for the worst..