(12-09-2018, 11:24 PM)McC Wrote: And he wasn't giving anything up.  He was diving for the end zone.  

Can't even dive for the ***** end zone anymore sad state of affairs in the NFL.

(12-09-2018, 11:29 PM)Tomkat Wrote: Actually, according to the new ABSOLUTELY STUPID rule...

"the ball will be spotted at the point where the player began to dive."

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/04/nfl-rules-will-now-treat-head-first-dives-like-feet-first-slides/

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2018-rules-changes-and-points-of-emphasis/

This seems to differ from what this says.

(12-09-2018, 10:29 PM)Au165 Wrote: It’s the rule. There were tons of articles written about its impact in that very instance before the season started and no one cared. The NFL and the Refs aren’t out to get the team as much as people want to play the victim.

It's easier to swallow that the league holds us down than to believe we're just terribly mismanaged.

"If a runner (including a quarterback) gives himself up, then he is down where the first body part touches the ground."

Well, then they got THAT PART wrong, too.
SHOCKING.

Yeah, the Driskel call was atrocious. A better team would have punched it in from a foot out on 4th down. The Bengals, of course, get a false start and settle for 3. They have no one to blame but themselves.

(12-09-2018, 11:35 PM)thompson19osu Wrote: https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2018-rules-changes-and-points-of-emphasis/

This seems to differ from what this says.

Maybe that’s why everyone is confused. QBs have always been spotted where they begin the slide as that is when they are granted protections. It was explained heading into the year it would be treated the same way for the five.

(12-09-2018, 11:52 PM)Ctfan73 Wrote: Yeah, the Driskel call was atrocious.  A better team would have punched it in from a foot out on 4th down.  The Bengals, of course, get a false start and settle for 3.  They have no one to blame but themselves.

The 4th down should not have even existed.

(12-09-2018, 11:52 PM)Ctfan73 Wrote: Yeah, the Driskel call was atrocious. A better team would have punched it in from a foot out on 4th down. The Bengals, of course, get a false start and settle for 3. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Agreed. However if the play on the field stands as called then that next play doesn’t even happen. It’s not like the call on the field was he gave himself up. Nobody gives themselves up at the goal line.

(12-09-2018, 11:54 PM)Au165 Wrote: Maybe that’s why everyone is confused. QBs have always been spotted where they begin the slide as that is when they are granted protections. It was explained heading into the year it would be treated the same way for the five.

Yes, but it all hinges on the player giving himself up.  Who would ever do that at the frigging one?  If a QB dives for a first down, what do they do in that case?  Can't think of having ever seen that call in such a situation.

(12-09-2018, 11:56 PM)McC Wrote: Yes, but it all hinges on the player giving himself up.  Who would ever do that at the frigging one?  If a QB dives for a first down, what do they do in that case?  Can't think of having ever seen that call in such a situation.

It’s assumed through the action now. A QB basically can’t dive anymore. It’s a new rule that simply hasn’t been seen much.

(12-10-2018, 12:00 AM)Au165 Wrote: It’s assumed through the action now. A QB basically can’t dive anymore. It’s a new rule that simply hasn’t been seen much.

What about when Ben dove for a TD against the Jags?   No such call.

(12-10-2018, 12:00 AM)Au165 Wrote: It’s assumed through the action now. A QB basically can’t dive anymore. It’s a new rule that simply hasn’t been seen much.

Assumed?  Assumed that a guy diving into the end zone is giving himself up?  On what planet?

(12-10-2018, 12:01 AM)McC Wrote: What about when Ben dove for a TD against the Jags?   No such call.

Again new rule, doesn’t mean it gets called right all the time. The way it was explained before the season was that the action ends the play because it is a signal to the defenders to Pull up.

(12-10-2018, 12:02 AM)McC Wrote: Assumed?  Assumed that a guy diving into the end zone is giving himself up?  On what planet?

This one. In today’s NFL.

(12-10-2018, 12:03 AM)Au165 Wrote: Again new rule, doesn’t mean it gets called right all the time. The way it was explained before the season was that the action ends the play because it is a signal to the defenders to Pull up.

Nobody pulled up.  And they never call that.  Except today.  The ridiculousness of it is beyond all argument, flies in the face of simple human reason.  In other words, pulled it out of their asses.

The refs screwed the Chargers too especially on the one pass called incomplete

(12-09-2018, 09:58 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I was actually pretty damn happy with the loss.

They played well, showed their talent, proved a large portion of the problem is playcalling and coaching and then lost just in time to preserve the draft position.

If we can replicate this over the final weeks of the season, we can finally get rid of Marvin, find a new "hot" coach who sees the talent on our roster and is excited to build around it all while maintaining a good draft position to potentially take a franchise QB (depending on how many end up declaring and are determined to be worth a first round pick) and the new era of Bengals football can begin.

The alternative was winning some meaningless game before going 0-3 in the final 3 games and just getting a worse draft pick.

Holy smokes I feel really sorry for you and anyone who thinks this is possible. Hot does not equal cheap. Hot does not equal stupid. Every year is next year for this team. We’ve had some reason to be hopefully and it is usually how good we finish the year when the team misses the playoffs. Or that they at least made the playoffs, even though they were horrible at the end of the year. Next year is never going to come with the current configuration. The two people that need to have an edge are the HC and QB. We’re trying to field dress a deer with two butter knives.

(12-10-2018, 12:01 AM)McC Wrote: What about when Ben dove for a TD against the Jags?   No such call.

Exactly I posted it in this thread. When the call was overturned I immediately thought of that play because if he is called down then then the Steelers lose to the Jags.

(12-10-2018, 12:09 AM)Trademark Wrote: The refs screwed the Chargers too especially on the one pass called incomplete

And they also ignored two pretty blatant defenseless receiver hits on Boyd, practically back to back.

(12-10-2018, 12:09 AM)Trademark Wrote: The refs screwed the Chargers too especially on the one pass called incomplete

Well the call on the field was incomplete and there was no good camera angle that proved otherwise.

The Driskel play was called a TD and he was diving to score, which video evidence clearly showed.