(12-17-2018, 05:19 PM)Synric Wrote: AJ is a great deep ball receiver....but Andy still has to accurately throw it to him.

You can't have one without the other.

No he doesn't have to be accurate. Green can make the adjustments if the balls are off target. 

(12-17-2018, 06:30 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Darren Sproles made the pro bowl for three seasons in row, and in each of those he had around 750 totals yards and 5 TD's. Much worse than Bernard who has put up some big seasons that have gone under the radar. We're talking 1200 plus total yards and 8 TD kind of seasons.

In a big market like Philly, Bernard would have gone to 3 pro bowls minimum. 

Sproles made the Pro Bowl as a return specialist.  Over those three seasons he led the league in PR yds twice, PR tds twice and finished first in average yds per PR one year and 2nd another.

I like Gio a lot, but he has never played at a Pro Bowl level.  You give me the years you think he should have been selected and I'll give you 5 AFC RBs who had better seasons.

(12-17-2018, 07:29 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: No he doesn't have to be accurate. Green can make the adjustments if the balls are off target. 

AJ Green makes spectacular catches but that isn't every ball thrown to him more often than not they are on target and into tight windows because AJ gets a lot and I mean a lot of double teams.

You are trying to tell everyone how inaccurate Dalton  is and tell us Driskel is better in the same breath.
As truck says...Just Stop.

(12-17-2018, 07:29 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: No he doesn't have to be accurate. Green can make the adjustments if the balls are off target. 

Doesn't matter if Green makes adjustments.  Every WR in the league can make adjustments.  If the pass is off target a defender will knock it away.

(12-17-2018, 06:25 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: All pro is better but even then it has bias built in.  Our offensive line during Daltons first 5 years was as good or better than the Steelers. Obviously right now it's much worse. 

What is this "All Pro bias"?

(12-17-2018, 09:09 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: What is this "All Pro bias"?

The AP press thats what's biased. The media selects the All Pro team. 

(12-17-2018, 07:42 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Doesn't matter if Green makes adjustments.  Every WR in the league can make adjustments.  If the pass is off target a defender will knock it away.

Not the circus catches Green makes. He won't knock it away if Green is wide open and Dalton shanks it over his head by 10 feet. Go watch the games. 

(12-17-2018, 07:38 PM)Synric Wrote: AJ Green makes spectacular catches but that isn't every ball thrown to him more often than not they are on target and into tight windows because AJ gets a lot and I mean a lot of double teams.

You are trying to tell everyone how inaccurate Dalton  is and tell us Driskel is better in the same breath.
As truck says...Just Stop.

You have to be joking. Green makes the most circus catches in the league. Some of those deep throws are way off target and he catches them. 

Look at how Dalton can't complete a deep ball to Ross. That's because Ross can't make those circus catches on deep balls.  Watch the games instead of  convincing yourself Dalton's deep balls are the best you've ever seen. 

You don't even listen. Just be gone.  I said Driskel, plus a free agent qb, a first round qb, a good right tackle, and a good linebacker is better than Dalton.

These Bengals boards should have more honest fans and not Dalton's family members in here defending him. 

(12-17-2018, 05:24 PM)Wyche Wrote: Did you read those stats?  Top 9 isn't average.  That said, yes, I would be open to trading him if we can sign a comparable FA for cheaper.  I am NOT for drafting a QB this particular year though.

However, if Merv or Hue is the HC next season, it won't really matter much will it?

(12-17-2018, 05:40 PM)Wyche Wrote: The numbers are what they are.  No one is saying the guy is elite.  No one is saying it isn't time to look for a replacement.  What people are saying, actually, is, that he is better than he gets credit for.  People are also saying, Driskel is not the answer, this year is a bad draft for QBs, and if you trade him, you're going to need to find someone at least comparable to have any measure of success.

These 2 posts are pretty much where I'm at. I'm fine with changing the QB and it'd be great if we could upgrade...BUT...Dalton has been a fine QB for us and we won't be winning any playoff games until there are serious changes with this organization, especially at Head Coach. Part of me would love to see Dalton with a new offensive minded HC, but that could be here or elsewhere.

(12-17-2018, 07:13 PM)Synric Wrote: You know everyone mentions Green Sanu and Marvin Jones as really the only receivers Dalton has thrown too.

How about Jerome Simpson, Andre Caldwell, Andrew Hawkins, Jermaine Gresham.

How about Armon Binns, Greg Little, John Ross, CJ Uzomah and Brandon Tate?

(12-17-2018, 07:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sproles made the Pro Bowl as a return specialist.  Over those three seasons he led the league in PR yds twice, PR tds twice and finished first in average yds per PR one year and 2nd another.

I like Gio a lot, but he has never played at a Pro Bowl level.  You give me the years you think he should have been selected and I'll give you 5 AFC RBs who had better seasons.

I'd say his first two seasons he was close to pro bowl.  He averaged over 1200 yards and 8 TD's those years. That's a comparable production total to AJ Greens production as a receiver those years. You might think that's chump change but that's a significantly important piece to those Bengals offenses. 

(12-17-2018, 07:29 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: No he doesn't have to be accurate. Green can make the adjustments if the balls are off target. 

If the case, AD would have 50% of his interceptions removed because in your eyes Green catches everything. Have you see all of the picks when AD has thrown to Green?

Every years the starters are ranked based on qb rating.  He has ranked above average only one year , 2015 , and yet you think he's above average.  HE ISN'T ABOVE AVERAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

Every other single ***** year he's had 1 average ranking of 15, and every other year it is below average where he ranks 17 to 25.

(12-17-2018, 09:37 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If the case, AD would have 50% of his interceptions removed because in your eyes Green catches everything. Have you see all of the picks when AD has thrown to Green?

Picks happen to every target if you throw it to them enough, so what. Most of those picks can't be blamed on Green. Green can make adjustments on most balls unless Dalton shanks one 5 yards wide. 

(12-17-2018, 09:24 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: How about Armon Binns, Greg Little, John Ross, CJ Uzomah and Brandon Tate?

Greg Little! That one was driving me nuts  I couldn't remember it lol. And of course Brandon Lafell.

(12-17-2018, 09:49 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Every years the starters are ranked based on qb rating.  He has ranked above average only one year , 2015 , and yet you think he's above average.  HE ISN'T ABOVE AVERAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

Every other single ***** year he's had 1 average ranking of 15, and 5 below average where he ranks 17 to 25.

He has actually had 2 seasons 2013 and 2016 we're he was ranked in the top 16(both 15th) and 1 where he was 2nd 2015. In 2017 he was ranked 17th and in 2014 he was ranked 25th.

(12-17-2018, 09:21 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: You have to be joking. Green makes the most circus catches in the league. Some of those deep throws are way off target and he catches them. 

Look at how Dalton can't complete a deep ball to Ross. That's because Ross can't make those circus catches on deep balls.  Watch the games instead of  convincing yourself Dalton's deep balls are the best you've ever seen. 

You don't even listen. Just be gone.  I said Driskel, plus a free agent qb, a first round qb, a good right tackle, and a good linebacker is better than Dalton.

These Bengals boards should have more honest fans and not Dalton's family members in here defending him. 

There have been multiple articles posted in this thread that says different.

Show one peice of evidence by actual source not bloggers (PFF, Pro football reference ESPN NFL.com) besides you saying how inaccurate Dalton is at any level short mediate or long. 

I will make a sig bet you can't.

(12-17-2018, 09:58 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: He has actually had 2 seasons 2013 and 2016 we're he was ranked in the top 16(both 15th) and 1 where he was 2nd 2015. In 2017 he was ranked 17th and in 2014 he was ranked 25th.

Wrong, one season he's had an above average ranking at 2, one season average ranking with a 15 , and all the others were below average rankings between 17 and 25. I just looked it up. 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl?season_id=16

(12-17-2018, 10:04 PM)Synric Wrote: There have been multiple articles posted in this thread that says different.

Show one peice of evidence by actual sources not bloggers (PFF, Pro football reference ESPN NFL.com) besides you saying how inaccurate Dalton is at any level short mediate or long. 

I will make a sig bet you can't.

By watching the games as evidence. Here's evidence for the past two years he is below average on deep balls. He's ranked 23. 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/deep-ball-project

(12-17-2018, 10:07 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: By watching the games as evidence. Here's evidence for the past two years he is below average on deep balls. He's ranked 23. 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/deep-ball-project

If you actually read the article that is from a blogger Brickwallblitz the link is in the first few paragraphs.
He also says Ryan Tannwhile is a top 5 QB lol.



This is from pro football focus 2017. Dalton had a 90 passer rating on deep balls in 2017 and a 95 passers-by rating from 2011 to 2016.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/fantasy-football-metrics-that-matter-deep-ball-qbs?utm_source=cj&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=cjaff&cjevent=7a8d424c026211e982ae00730a24060e

Try again.

(12-17-2018, 10:20 PM)Synric Wrote: If you actually read the article that is from a blogger Brickwallblitz the link is in the first few paragraphs.
He also says Ryan Tannwhile is a top 5 QB lol.



This is from pro football focus 2017. Dalton had a 90 passer rating on deep balls in 2017 and a 95 passers-by rating from 2011 to 2016.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/fantasy-football-metrics-that-matter-deep-ball-qbs?utm_source=cj&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=cjaff&cjevent=7a8d424c026211e982ae00730a24060e

Try again.

 Who cares about his qb rating on deep balls. YOU CAN'T USE QB RATING FOR DEEP BALLS. It isn't accurate.

You can throw a deep ball 50 yards for a TD and get a 158 rating. Another 50 yard deep ball at the one yard line gives you a 118 rating. The difference that each throw produces is 0.3 points yet there's a huge difference in qb rating of 40 points. 

Do you understand the logic of that because if you don't just lurk back to your cave. 

Dalton threw 3 for 16 2 TD and had a qb rating of 105. 3 for 16 is terrible on deep throws. It scored high because a couple of those were TD's

It would be nice if theyd give the whole list, but they didn't.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/03/nfl-most-accurate-quarterbacks-pro-football-focus-pff-stats-tom-brady-kirk-cousins