(07-15-2019, 10:55 PM)samhain Wrote: I'm sure there are many reasons.  The first is probably that Washington may not want to get rid of him.  He's a good OT in a league that doesn't have many of them right now.  Plus they likely will have a rookie QB under center to protect.  If they don't have to get rid of him, why would they?

Yes, and while agree with the OP's sentiments you have to remember that Westerman has been a good LG in the past and Glenn has been a good LT in the past. I think we need to rely on the coaching and see what happens and with the change in coaching I think we finally have a shot. Not crazy about Turner but A&M's Line looked good last year and the Phins looked good until the scandal thing. Turner might not be as bad of a fall off from Pollak as I previously thought.

(07-19-2019, 06:05 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes, and while agree with the OP's sentiments you have to remember that Westerman has been a good LG in the past and Glenn has been a good LT in the past. I think we need to rely on the coaching and see what happens and with the change in coaching I think we finally have a shot. Not crazy about Turner but A&M's Line looked good last year and the Phins looked good until the scandal thing. Turner might not be as bad of a fall off from Pollak as I previously thought.

Glenn's issues are he's been hurt the last 3 years. I don't think it's coaching. He's a 6 foot 7, 340+ lb guy. I just don't think his frame can handle that thus he breaks his foot and hurts his back, etc.

Ideally he'd drop some weight.

Westerman? I would have started him last year. Not sure why they didn't.

If he plays well, then it's puzzling why he didn't start over bad starters last year.

Cordy has issues with pass rushers more than one move.
in the run game hes a road grader.
in pass protect hes just a liabiility at times

(07-21-2019, 11:43 AM)impactplaya Wrote: Cordy has issues with pass rushers more than one move.
in the run game hes a road grader.
in pass protect hes just a liabiility at times

Are you sure about all that?  According to every PFF rating posted on here about Cordy Glenn, Pass Pro. is his stronger suit, as he's rather mediocre at run blocking for a man of his stature.

(07-21-2019, 11:43 AM)impactplaya Wrote: Cordy has issues with pass rushers more than one move.
in the run game hes a road grader.
in pass protect hes just a liabiility at times

Glenn is NOT a road grader in the run game. People assume he is because he's so big...but he's mainly a finesse guy at this point in his career.

Glenn did not grade particularly well at all from [i]Pro Football Focus[/i], however, particularly as a run-blocker. In pass protection, he was credited with surrendering 36 pressures, tied for 20th-most in the league, but he had the fourth-worst run-blocking grade of all tackles who played at least half of the team’s snaps last season. Not that they are gospel.

(07-21-2019, 12:37 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Glenn's issues are he's been hurt the last 3 years. I don't think it's coaching. He's a 6 foot 7, 340+ lb guy. I just don't think his frame can handle that thus he breaks his foot and hurts his back, etc.

Ideally he'd drop some weight.

Westerman? I would have started him last year. Not sure why they didn't.

If he plays well, then it's puzzling why he didn't start over bad starters last year.

Feel the same Pistons.

Glenn needs to lose weight and Westerman not getting a shot is puzzling, this might change with the new coaches atleast Westerman not getting a shot part might.

(07-21-2019, 11:46 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Are you sure about all that?  According to every PFF rating posted on here about Cordy Glenn, Pass Pro. is his stronger suit, as he's rather mediocre at run blocking for a man of his stature.

(07-21-2019, 02:59 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Glenn is NOT a road grader in the run game. People assume he is because he's so big...but he's mainly a finesse guy at this point in his career.

Glenn did not grade particularly well at all from [i]Pro Football Focus[/i], however, particularly as a run-blocker. In pass protection, he was credited with surrendering 36 pressures, tied for 20th-most in the league, but he had the fourth-worst run-blocking grade of all tackles who played at least half of the team’s snaps last season. Not that they are gospel.

Yeah, Glenn played like a softy in the run game last season.

With his frame, size and strength he should be pancaking dudes all the time. Dude needs to lose some weight and gain a nasty demeanor, not sure if the latter is possible.

(07-21-2019, 11:43 AM)impactplaya Wrote: Cordy has issues with pass rushers more than one move.
in the run game hes a road grader.
in pass protect hes just a liabiility at times

He allowed 2 sacks last year.. sorry he was not a liability as a pass blocker

(07-23-2019, 01:41 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: He allowed 2 sacks last year.. sorry he was not a liability as a pass blocker

He allowed 36 pressures...tied for 20th most in the league. And that's with missing 3 games.

Not sure if liability is the right word for him, but he's not a Good OT. Maybe average to below average.

He hasn't been healthy for the last 3 years though. That's likely his major issue.

(07-23-2019, 09:37 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: He allowed 36 pressures...tied for 20th most in the league. And that's with missing 3 games.

Not sure if liability is the right word for him, but he's not a Good OT. Maybe average to below average.

He hasn't been healthy for the last 3 years though. That's likely his major issue.

He started 13 games last year, missing 3 is not terrible at tackle. 2 sacks is still 2 sacks,  overall run pass his stats and history say a good tackle .. Iinjury is the worry not ability to me.

(07-23-2019, 09:37 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: He allowed 36 pressures...tied for 20th most in the league. And that's with missing 3 games.

Not sure if liability is the right word for him, but he's not a Good OT. Maybe average to below average.

He hasn't been healthy for the last 3 years though. That's likely his major issue.

Injuries have been Glenn's issue, this and run blocking.

(07-23-2019, 04:28 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: He started 13 games last year, missing 3 is not terrible at tackle. 2 sacks is still 2 sacks,  overall run pass his stats and history say a good tackle .. Iinjury is the worry not ability to me.

Yes, Glenn has been a good pass blocker in the past. Still stand by my previous thoughts of Glenn needing to lose some weight and gain a nasty demeanor in the run game to become a good overall LT.

(07-15-2019, 11:35 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Over 30, hasn't played a full season since 2015, and would probably cost a 2nd Rd pick.

Not sure we're in a position to be picky, and I doubt he costs a 2nd, for multiple reasons. In fact, I'd bet on that. 

Btw, he missed no more than 6 games (13 total) over the last 3 seasons and made the Pro Bowl all 3 of those years.

People were happy about signing Andre Smith when his health and track record were both worse.

(07-25-2019, 01:00 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Not sure we're in a position to be picky, and I doubt he costs a 2nd, for multiple reasons. In fact, I'd bet on that. 

Btw, he missed no more than 6 games (13 total) over the last 3 seasons and made the Pro Bowl all 3 of those years.

People were happy about signing Andre Smith when his health and track record were both worse.

It's going to be a high pick and it's going to be an expensive contract. I am not saying they shouldn't but they won't and that's why.

(07-25-2019, 01:00 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Not sure we're in a position to be picky, and I doubt he costs a 2nd, for multiple reasons. In fact, I'd bet on that. 

Btw, he missed no more than 6 games (13 total) over the last 3 seasons and made the Pro Bowl all 3 of those years.

People were happy about signing Andre Smith when his health and track record were both worse.

Also throw in that Cincy historically plays the comp pick game.  So maybe a pick comes into play but they also hopefully learned from Whit that you dont give up on a quality tackle at that age.

As someone posted, maybe you get a pick from a Gio trade. Gio and Boling off even Cincy's mysterious books makes Trent's deal work.  Something like a 3rd for Williams, Gio for a conditional 4th or 5th.  I got Cam Fleming as a cheaper option via trade.

(07-25-2019, 01:32 AM)Jakeypoo Wrote: It's going to be a high pick and it's going to be an expensive contract. I am not saying they shouldn't but they won't and that's why.

The expensive contract is one big reason why a trade won't involve a high pick. Another is his age. While he can still be effective, teams don't give up top picks for players over 30 on a big contract. Especially when they've been missing some games. Look what we gave up for Cordy Glenn.

(07-25-2019, 01:42 AM)phil413 Wrote: Also throw in that Cincy historically plays the comp pick game.  So maybe a pick comes into play but they also hopefully learned from Whit that you dont give up on a quality tackle at that age.

As someone posted, maybe you get a pick from a Gio trade. Gio and Boling off even Cincy's mysterious books makes Trent's deal work.  Something like a 3rd for Williams, Gio for a conditional 4th or 5th.  I got Cam Fleming as a cheaper option via trade.

All these years later and we're still looking for a quality FA RT.  

The pressure is really building up. 

(07-25-2019, 01:00 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: People were happy about signing Andre Smith when his health and track record were both worse.

Half the fans were pissed off that we signed Dre, and the other half was just happy that we signed anyone.

(07-25-2019, 01:00 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Not sure we're in a position to be picky, and I doubt he costs a 2nd, for multiple reasons. In fact, I'd bet on that. 

Btw, he missed no more than 6 games (13 total) over the last 3 seasons and made the Pro Bowl all 3 of those years.

People were happy about signing Andre Smith when his health and track record were both worse.

I haven't really seen anyone express happiness over the signing.  More like just recognizing that somebody had to be signed.  And furthermore, most people describe him as no more than depth or even just a camp body.  I don't think anybody really wants to see him as a  starter.

(07-23-2019, 09:37 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: He allowed 36 pressures...tied for 20th most in the league. And that's with missing 3 games.

Not sure if liability is the right word for him, but he's not a Good OT. Maybe average to below average.

He hasn't been healthy for the last 3 years though. That's likely his major issue.

(07-23-2019, 04:28 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: He started 13 games last year, missing 3 is not terrible at tackle. 2 sacks is still 2 sacks,  overall run pass his stats and history say a good tackle .. Iinjury is the worry not ability to me.

I'm going to have to agree with Essex on this one.  For what Cordy Glenn cost, his numbers are acceptable.  Trent Williams is very likely to be injured at some point, and is wanting a raise from his already $14.5M salary..   So if the Bengals were to trade a pick and give Williams a new contract, I'd be highly pissed off.

They don't need Trent Williams, they just need a good backup, while Cordy Glenn holds the spot for Jonah Williams.

(07-26-2019, 06:00 PM)McC Wrote: I haven't really seen anyone express happiness over the signing.  More like just recognizing that somebody had to be signed.  And furthermore, most people describe him as no more than depth or even just a camp body.  I don't think anybody really wants to see him as a  starter.

I'm talking about the last time we brought him back. At that time, people were viewing him as a starter because that's what Hobs was pushing him as. At guard.

(07-26-2019, 05:13 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The expensive contract is one big reason why a trade won't involve a high pick. Another is his age. While he can still be effective, teams don't give up top picks for players over 30 on a big contract. Especially when they've been missing some games. Look what we gave up for Cordy Glenn.


All these years later and we're still looking for a quality FA RT.  

The pressure is really building up. 

We dropped 8 spots in the first round for Glenn which according to Hobson was = to a second RD pick.

(07-26-2019, 05:13 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: All these years later and we're still looking for a quality FA RT.  

The pressure is really building up. 

 for a quality fa rt you need to build up pressure.