(09-09-2019, 11:09 PM)McC Wrote: He gave up one long pass.  And on that play, he was there, he had just neglected to grow four more inches.  What else did he do that was so bad?  Wilson only completed 14 passes.

I didn't see anything other than that pass. If your guy isn't catching the ball, you'd think he was playing pretty well. Like you said, he was step for step. Just fell as the ball arrived. *PFF grader* "omg! he fell! minus 20 for you!!!"

It's why i don't take any ratings from PFF seriously. 

(09-09-2019, 11:09 PM)McC Wrote: He gave up one long pass.  And on that play, he was there, he had just neglected to grow four more inches.  What else did he do that was so bad?  Wilson only completed 14 passes.

Thinking it was Willis or Williams not WJ3.

(09-09-2019, 11:05 PM)Joelist Wrote: Typical PFF nonsense. Willis gets a crazy low rating for no reason as does Miller. The Dalton rating is also ridiculous. Likewise the Gio rating.

No clue on Gio. He seemed to do a good job on blitz pickup too, which is a component.

I saw a detailed description of Dalton's rating. I know they marked him down for the one Boyd appeared to slip on. Boyd slipped because the ball was thrown to the wrong spot and he was coming back.

Also 1 of the Ross TD's got him marked down because the throw wasn't good. But Ross made a good play.

Not saying I fully agree with this...but it's some context as to why he wasn't rated higher.

pff: andy dalton when under pressure in 3 games without a.j. green in 2018 -

4.1 adjusted yards/attempt (8/21 111 yds 1 td 1 int) on 35% pressured/dropback rate (29/82)

yesterday -

11.44 adjusted yards/attempt (10/16 163 yds 1 td 0 int) on 36% pressured/dropback rate (20/56)

— john sheeran (@John__Sheeran) September 9, 2019

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(09-09-2019, 11:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ...or if they gave up a couple 1st rounders for that Turnstile Tunsil dude. 

Stills who just scored a TD was in that trade too.

Saffold would have been a signing and not required a pick. Plus, with us basically copying the Rams system, he would have fit nicely here.

Dalton coming in at #11 over at PFF...just 5 points behind Patrick Mahomes ?

Room for improvement in a brand new offense, but, not a bad first day!

— Captain Obvious (@BengalsCaptain) September 9, 2019

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(09-09-2019, 11:17 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: No clue on Gio. He seemed to do a good job on blitz pickup too, which is a component.

I saw a detailed description of Dalton's rating. I know they marked him down for the one Boyd appeared to slip on. Boyd slipped because the ball was thrown to the wrong spot and he was coming back.

Also 1 of the Ross TD's got him marked down because the throw wasn't good. But Ross made a good play.

Not saying I fully agree with this...but it's some context as to why he wasn't rated higher.

Those PFF graders have no damn business deciding where a ball should have been thrown, unless they're former QBs and the know exactly what play was called and where the receiver should be.

It's why they shouldn't be taken seriously. 

On a per-dropback basis (not including all games yet), Russell Wilson was the most-pressured QB in Week 1, facing pressure on 45% of his dropbacks per PFF. Dalton - 35%, not great, not awful. 91.7% ADJ Acc% under pressure (1 drop, 2 throwaway, a few batted)

— Jake (@Jake_NFL) September 9, 2019

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(09-09-2019, 11:20 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Those PFF graders have no damn business deciding where a ball should have been thrown, unless they're former QBs and the know exactly what play was called and where the receiver should be.

It's why they shouldn't be taken seriously. 

Joe Goodberry on Twitter does a really detailed writeup of that play and agrees with PFF on that particular play.

PFF stats show four teams that used play action to an extreme amount:

• #Ravens (50.0%) won 59-10
• #Cowboys (46.6%) won 35-17
• #Chiefs (45.5%) won 40-26
• #Titans (43.3%) won 43-13

No other team was over 35.7% PA. It’s almost like play action passing is wildly effective.

— Mike Herndon (@MikeMiracles) September 9, 2019

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So this happened. The Bengals didn't play with 3 LBs on the field. Germaine Pratt got 3 snaps, but Jordan Evans got zero. It was just Vigil and Brown flanked by Hubbard, Dunlap and Lawson when they weren't in nickel.

— JG (@JoeGoodberry) September 9, 2019

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Bullock is a career 68% kicker from over 40 yards. If anybody feels good about those attempts, they're lying. https://t.co/zqqoymyc8u

— JG (@JoeGoodberry) September 9, 2019

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(09-09-2019, 11:22 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Joe Goodberry on Twitter does a really detailed writeup of that play and agrees with PFF on that particular play.

Has Joe Goodberry played the position? Was he in the huddle? Did he take the snap and have to throw the ball against that D?

No?

Joe Goodberry can go suck on one. He's dead to me, as far as i care. 

(09-09-2019, 11:28 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Has Joe Goodberry played the position? Was he in the huddle? Did he take the snap and have to throw the ball against that D?

No?

Joe Goodberry can go suck on one. He's dead to me, as far as i care. 

Do you want me to stop posting PFF stuff?

(09-09-2019, 11:22 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Joe Goodberry on Twitter does a really detailed writeup of that play and agrees with PFF on that particular play.

Let me make one thing clear. 

I love PFF for the next gen/stat adjusted stuff. Love their numbers. 

I don't give two shits about their opinions. 

(09-09-2019, 11:29 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Let me make one thing clear. 

I love PFF for the next gen/stat adjusted stuff. Love their numbers. 

I don't give two shits about their opinions. 

I probably wouldn't ding a QB on a TD throw either. But, it's a pretty decent metric for evaluating guys.

People seem to love the Hopkins rating.

The thing is, we could run the ball and gave up pressure on 35% of plays. That's going to effect a QB and ratings.

I'm not sure what to say. He was very good. Might be his best game without AJ Green?
But there were some plays that I wish Dalton would've hit or played differently.
In a close game, everything can be nitpicked. Don't want to do that. https://t.co/2mMafSNcnN

— JG (@JoeGoodberry) September 9, 2019

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Nah. PFF is generally good for snorts and giggles.

For them to penalize on a play that the players involved already said isn't what they think it is is typical.

CIN decided to punt to SEA from the CIN 44 on 4th & 7 with 3:30 remaining in the 4th while losing 20 to 21.

With a Surrender Index of 11.76, this punt ranks at the 95th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2019 season, and the 94th percentile of all punts since 2009.

— Surrender Index 90 (@surrender_idx90) September 8, 2019

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Conservative play style got them again https://t.co/uJz4st7QZE

— JG (@JoeGoodberry) September 8, 2019

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