Presumably Taylor signed off on retaining Brown...then the coaches also said...Hey let's play a Nickle 2 LB set with Brown and Vigil as our LB's! That will work! Neither Brown nor Vigil would play Nickle on other teams in the league.

Cincinnati gave Preston Brown a 3-year deal worth $16.5M

He's graded (PFF) as the worst defender on the Bengals roster and ranks 83/90 LBs in NFL.
Brown has allowed receptions on 15 of 16 targets for 169 yards and a TD.
Bengals defense has already given up 1,300 rushing yards.

— JG (@JoeGoodberry) October 21, 2019

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(10-21-2019, 04:11 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Presumably Taylor signed off on retaining Brown...then the coaches also said...Hey let's play a Nickle 2 LB set with Brown and Vigil as our LB's! That will work! Neither Brown nor Vigil would play Nickle on other teams in the league.

Cincinnati gave Preston Brown a 3-year deal worth $16.5M

He's graded (PFF) as the worst defender on the Bengals roster and ranks 83/90 LBs in NFL.
Brown has allowed receptions on 15 of 16 targets for 169 yards and a TD.
Bengals defense has already given up 1,300 rushing yards.

— JG (@JoeGoodberry) October 21, 2019

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He is giving up 11 yards up per a reception! That's terrible. Dude is our biggest issue on defense right now.

I don't know what to think about our defense. Guys who have played well before like Jackson, Kirkpatrick, and Bates really bad at times.

I never thought Brown was a great player, but he may not be as bad as he looks playing in this system for these coaches. Like our DBs, both Vigil and Brown have seemed slow to react and out of position. I don't know if they are really that bad or if they are just being given bad reads/keys our are lined up out of position to begin with.

(10-21-2019, 04:42 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: He is giving up 11 yards up per a reception! That's terrible. Dude is our biggest issue on defense right now.

Not so much defending Brown as giving a little perspective.

169 yards is less than 10% of what the team has allowed.  I don't know if I can call him our "biggest issue on defense" right now.

BUT HE'S A TACKLIN' MACHINE!!

(10-21-2019, 04:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't know what to think about our defense.  Guys who have played well before like Jackson, Kirkpatrick, and Bates really bad at times.

I never thought Brown was a great player, but he may not be as bad as he looks playing in this system for these coaches.  Like our DBs, both Vigil and Brown have seemed slow to react and out of position.  I don't know if they are really that bad or if they are just being given bad reads/keys our are lined up out of position to begin with.

Honestly, a Nickle scheme is a terrible fit for both Brown and Vigil. They have to cover too much space.

This scheme might work if we had a really fast safety that could make tackles too...but we really don't.

Ditto on the secondary. They've all regressed.

We're on pace to give up 3024 yards rushing too. Plus, we get no pass rush.

(10-21-2019, 05:06 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Honestly, a Nickle scheme is a terrible fit for both Brown and Vigil. They have to cover too much space.

This scheme might work if we had a really fast safety that could make tackles too...but we really don't.

Ditto on the secondary. They've all regressed.

We're on pace to give up 3024 yards rushing too. Plus, we get no pass rush.

I read your posts and I get the impression things aren't going so well this year. 

(10-21-2019, 05:07 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: I read your posts and I get the impression things aren't going so well this year. 

We have had some bright spots. Hopkins then Tate, Erickson, and Ross all had good games. Our punter has done very well.

Other than that...I've got nothing.

(10-21-2019, 05:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Not so much defending Brown as giving a little perspective.

169 yards is less than 10% of what the team has allowed.  I don't know if I can call him our "biggest issue on defense" right now.

Coming into yesterdays game the Bengals were giving up more receiving yards to RB and TEs then WRs. We can't stop the run because neither him or Vigil are sideline to Sideline players. Also it's not like he was good last season dude was dreadful.

(10-21-2019, 05:06 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Honestly, a Nickle scheme is a terrible fit for both Brown and Vigil. They have to cover too much space.

This scheme might work if we had a really fast safety that could make tackles too...but we really don't.

Ditto on the secondary. They've all regressed.

We're on pace to give up 3024 yards rushing too. Plus, we get no pass rush.

 The majority of the NFL is in Nickle what 60% to 70% of the time. If you can't play in it then you don't belong in the NFL. 

(10-21-2019, 04:42 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: He is giving up 11 yards up per a reception! That's terrible. Dude is our biggest issue on defense right now.

add the extensions of Brown and Uz to the list of incompressible personnel decisions like Hart, Sample and Gio.

This is one poorly run business .

They would have been in chapter 11 or 7 years ago without the NFL subsidies.

(10-21-2019, 05:06 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Honestly, a Nickle scheme is a terrible fit for both Brown and Vigil. They have to cover too much space.

This scheme might work if we had a really fast safety that could make tackles too...but we really don't.

Ditto on the secondary. They've all regressed.

We're on pace to give up 3024 yards rushing too. Plus, we get no pass rush.

Personally I think it is more likely that he scheme and system are the problem.

I find it hard to believe that suddenly every player on our defense has gotten worse.  How can you believe that?

What I hate is that Deone Buchanon was available and the front office didn't even bother to bring him in.
He's a better fit for this 4 2 5 or 5 2 4 scheme.
Yet this front office has a man crush on Vigil and Brown.
And yet LAST YEAR THEY WERE BOTH EXPOSED FOR THEIR INABILITY TO COVER RBs and TEs....
What does the front office do.keep them for another year!!!!

(10-21-2019, 05:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Personally I think it is more likely that he scheme and system are the problem.

I find it hard to believe that suddenly every player on our defense has gotten worse.  How can you believe that?

I've been blaming scheme and coaching on defense for quite some time. It's fairly obvious when a guy like Geno regresses.

Maybe camp/practice isn't preparing them for the games too?

Preston Brown saved a TD, on that opening drive, goal line stand, yesterday.

(10-21-2019, 05:06 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Honestly, a Nickle scheme is a terrible fit for both Brown and Vigil. They have to cover too much space.

This scheme might work if we had a really fast safety that could make tackles too...but we really don't.

Ditto on the secondary. They've all regressed.

We're on pace to give up 3024 yards rushing too. Plus, we get no pass rush.

Put two safeties in at LB in the nickel. At least they could get to the edges.

(10-21-2019, 09:28 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Preston Brown saved a TD, on that opening drive, goal line stand, yesterday.

Good. Then he can make the league minimum and come in on goal line situations.

(10-21-2019, 09:37 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Good. Then he can make the league minimum and come in on goal line situations.

As a unit, the defense played well enough to win, yesterday.  Not their fault that Andy and the offense couldn't seize the momentum, and put that game away.

(10-21-2019, 05:09 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We have had some bright spots. Hopkins then Tate, Erickson, and Ross all had good games. Our punter has done very well.

Other than that...I've got nothing.

Hubbard

(10-21-2019, 09:43 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Hubbard

Pratt finally showed some promise yesterday. He got exposed a few plays but all in all a pretty good game for a rookie.