(12-13-2019, 08:36 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Are you reading that chart correctly?  It really looks like Baltimore and Green Bay are really close, in percentage of "homegrown" players on their teams.

Right but they aren't close to us on the grid because they win a lot and we don't.  The location of the Bengals off by themselves on that grid shows we are a total outlier of a team that is quite removed from the rest of the NFL, at least in this aspect. 

This grid shows a positive correlation between homegrown player a and wins, yet we are very high in homegrown players and very low in wins, which makes us an outlier.

C'mon folks.. Everyone knows there's a secret lab under PBS where babies are born in test tubes then taught their entire lives how to be NFL super stars for other teams.. Hence the term "home grown players"..

(12-12-2019, 09:47 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The Bengals have been significantly better than all of those teams for 15 years.

And all of those teams have GMs.

Facts.

The thing with the Bengals is that the team uses the coaching staff to help evaluate the talent. Now this is good if the offensive coaches can see how a specific player will play into the team's scheme. This worked well with Marvin at the helm for most of his tenure as a head coach. Toward the end the gaffes resulted in his termination. 

Marvin was able to use this method to help rebuild the team not once but twice. The first time was with Lesile Frazier/Chuck Bresnahan as the DC and Bob Bratkwoski as the OC. The second time with Gruden and Zimmer. After Gruden and Zimmer left the evaluation of talent seemed to fade out and it resulted in the team simply not having skill set from coaches to ensure that right players get drafted. It hurt the team and resulted in ML being fired. 


With the current staff there wasn't enough time from ZT hire and his coaching staff to properly evaluate the players on the team, FA, the players entering the draft, etc... 


This hurt the team coming into this year. 


Let's see how the coaching staff evaluations go for next year signing their own, FA, and draft. 

(12-13-2019, 05:46 PM)MEBengalsFan Wrote: The thing with the Bengals is that the team uses the coaching staff to help evaluate the talent. Now this is good if the offensive coaches can see how a specific player will play into the team's scheme. This worked well with Marvin at the helm for most of his tenure as a head coach. Toward the end the gaffes resulted in his termination. 

Marvin was able to use this method to help rebuild the team not once but twice. The first time was with Lesile Frazier/Chuck Bresnahan as the DC and Bob Bratkwoski as the OC. The second time with Gruden and Zimmer. After Gruden and Zimmer left the evaluation of talent seemed to fade out and it resulted in the team simply not having skill set from coaches to ensure that right players get drafted. It hurt the team and resulted in ML being fired. 


With the current staff there wasn't enough time from ZT hire and his coaching staff to properly evaluate the players on the team, FA, the players entering the draft, etc... 


This hurt the team coming into this year. 


Let's see how the coaching staff evaluations go for next year signing their own, FA, and draft. 

That's just it...they supposedly evaluated the players on the roster.

I think the bottom line is that Taylor, Lou, and Callahan are all just so inexperienced and naieve that they didn't know what they didn't know. They needed to bring an established coach in for them to learn from...and didn't. A JDR would have done wonders for preparation.

The NFL is a worst to 1st league...so maybe next year, with an easy schedule...we can win 6-7 games?

(12-13-2019, 05:58 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: That's just it...they supposedly evaluated the players on the roster.

I think the bottom line is that Taylor, Lou, and Callahan are all just so inexperienced and naieve that they didn't know what they didn't know. They needed to bring an established coach in for them to learn from...and didn't. A JDR would have done wonders for preparation.

The NFL is a worst to 1st league...so maybe next year, with an easy schedule...we can win 6-7 games?

Taylor hired friends, that maybe a problem.