(12-17-2019, 04:21 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Right.

Deuce Lutui failed his Bengals’ physical on a Friday and passed his Cardinals’ physical two days later. Because their is no uniform standard in the NFL. There are at least 32 different standards that change all the time. That’s why Farve both failed and passed his physical with the same team for the same medical condition. That’s why you can’t claim Green can’t pass a physical. Especially with all we don’t know about this injury. If he is healthy enough to run cones there is probably at least one team who would say, “Screw it, he’s healthy enough to take a chance.”


What’s different?

Because how you evaluate a shoulder or a knee or an ankle are pretty much the same.

If AJ was unwilling to step on a field, he was failing a physical 100%. At the trade deadline he had just done a workout and then got shut down again for swelling and not feeling right. Once we get past the narrative that it was all a show here and accept he was really hurt the first thing the medical personnel will do is ask him questions, and now it is clear he wasn't making it up his own answers would have red flagged it.

Remember, in season you get one shot at this because essentially by the time the medical is ran the deadline is past. I just don't think teams with limited time to evaluate medicals are going to agree especially knowing the compensation would have most likely been made with the assumption he could play. That said I think a team would be more likely to pass him with more time during a FA pre signing physical where they have more time and can structure compensation to take potential injury into account.

Hes got the green light to start practicing by spring.

I don’t know much about the toe injury, I know that a turf toe injury can be career ending. His future is a question mark. I get loyalty and a good guy, fan favorite stuff but how is it a smart business move to spend 15-18 million on a big question mark? Isn’t it an obvious move to spend that money on other needed upgrades that don’t have a huge health question from the get go? You have to throw out being a fan of a player if you want to make the best business decision. If he does recover, he’s not gonna be all world over and above the production that you’re gonna get with the money being spent on another top free agent. Even if you did, it’s only gonna be for a year or 2. I love what AJ has been, he isn’t the same player and probably never will be. Hate it but move on!

(12-17-2019, 05:37 PM)Au165 Wrote: If AJ was unwilling to step on a field, he was failing a physical 100%. At the trade deadline he had just done a workout and then got shut down again for swelling and not feeling right. Once we get past the narrative that it was all a show here and accept he was really hurt the first thing the medical personnel will do is ask him questions, and now it is clear he wasn't making it up his own answers would have red flagged it.

Remember, in season you get one shot at this because essentially by the time the medical is ran the deadline is past. I just don't think teams with limited time to evaluate medicals are going to agree especially knowing the compensation would have most likely been made with the assumption he could play. That said I think a team would be more likely to pass him with more time during a FA pre signing physical where they have more time and can structure compensation to take potential injury into account.

Cordy Glenn allegedly passed his physical then refused to play so . . .

(12-17-2019, 06:03 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: I don’t know much about the toe injury, I know that a turf toe injury can be career ending. His future is a question mark. I get loyalty and a good guy, fan favorite stuff but how is it a smart business move to spend 15-18 million on a big question mark? Isn’t it an obvious move to spend that money on other needed upgrades that don’t have a huge health question from the get go? You have to throw out being a fan of a player if you want to make the best business decision. If he does recover, he’s not gonna be all world over and above the production that you’re gonna get with the money being spent on another top free agent. Even if you did, it’s only gonna be for a year or 2. I love what AJ has been, he isn’t the same player and probably never will be. Hate it but move on!

Who is the last top tier free agent the Bengals signed?

(12-17-2019, 03:08 PM)jj22 Wrote: Green is done. I can see an early retirement like his idol Calvin.

His idol is Larry Fitzgerald though...

(12-17-2019, 06:49 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Who is the last top tier free agent the Bengals signed?

Exactly. And if Dalton’s money comes off as well does anyone honestly believe Mike Brown is going to go crazy in FA and spend all that? I’d rather see it go to AJ (and give Burrow a #1WR) then stay in Mike’s bank account.

I'm not sure how he can be done when he hasn't even begun for the year

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He also said he would sign a franchise tag, but hinted he wouldn’t report until probably after OTAs or maybe after.

(12-17-2019, 07:58 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: He also said he would sign a franchise tag, but hinted he wouldn’t report until probably after OTAs or maybe after.

Tyler Dragon just reported that the Bengals will franchise tag him if a contract extension is not reached.

(12-17-2019, 06:49 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Who is the last top tier free agent the Bengals signed?

I’m not saying that Mike will, I’m just saying what any organization that wants to win should do.

(12-17-2019, 08:10 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Tyler Dragon just reported that the Bengals will franchise tag him if a contract extension is not reached.

Yep. Burn $18 million on a guy who likely will miss a bunch of games.

It's weird...we chase past performance.

AJ's best production was on his rookie contract.

(12-17-2019, 06:49 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Who is the last top tier free agent the Bengals signed?

Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap.

(12-17-2019, 09:46 PM)Synric Wrote: Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap.

They were both extended, not technically FA’s.

(12-17-2019, 09:48 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They were both extended, not technically FA’s.

Tomato Tomoto. They were high end players at their position now make a substantial percentage of the Bengals Salary cap.

Edit: Forgot the last one would actually be Tyler Boyd.

(12-17-2019, 08:10 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Tyler Dragon just reported that the Bengals will franchise tag him if a contract extension is not reached.

That's cool, I'd hate to toss Burrow into the fire without AJ Green sitting on the sideline all year.

(12-17-2019, 09:53 PM)Synric Wrote: Tomato Tomoto. They were high end players at their position now make a substantial percentage of the Bengals Salary cap.

Edit: Forgot the last one would actually be Tyler Boyd.

We all know Mike Brown takes care of his own players, I’m pretty sure they meant who was the biggest outside FA we’ve ever brought in. Which would be...

(12-17-2019, 10:04 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: We all know Mike Brown takes care of his own players, I’m pretty sure they meant who was the biggest outside FA we’ve ever brought in.  Which would be...

Which I've always felt is just a bad distinction. 

Signing any top end player is important regardless of which team they come from... Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, and Tyler Boyd were their last big signings and they are some pretty damn good football players.

(12-17-2019, 08:42 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. Burn $18 million on a guy who likely will miss a bunch of games.

It's weird...we chase past performance.

AJ's best production was on his rookie contract.

And if they tag him against his will how do we know he doesn't "look after himself " because he has no contract for 2021.

(12-17-2019, 10:10 PM)Synric Wrote: Which I've always felt is just a bad distinction. 

Signing any top end player is important regardless of which team they come from... Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, and Tyler Boyd were their last big signings and they are some pretty damn good football players.

They are, but not signing outside FA’s means we rely solely on the draft, and that leaves considerable wholes, and a lack of depth. We’re seeing that right now. How much better would we have been this year had we brought in some decent OL, LB, WR, etc? Just look at the Bills.