(06-30-2020, 10:05 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: Coronavirus test kits used in Tanzania were dismissed as faulty by President John Magufuli on Sunday because he said they had returned positive results on samples taken from a goat and pawpaw (papaya).
Magufuli, whose government has already drawn criticism for being secretive about the coronavirus outbreak and has previously asked Tanzanians to pray the coronavirus away, said the kits had "technical errors".
The Covid-19 testing kits had been imported from abroad, Magufuli said during an event in Chato in the north-west of Tanzania, although he did not give further details.
The president said he had instructed Tanzanian security forces to check the quality of the kits. They had randomly obtained several non-human samples, including from pawpaw, a goat and a sheep, but had assigned them human names and ages.
These samples were then submitted to Tanzania's laboratory to test for the coronavirus, with the lab technicians left deliberately unaware of their origins.
Samples from the pawpaw and the goat tested positive for Covid-19, the president said, adding this meant it was likely that some people were being tested positive when in fact they were not infected by the coronavirus.
"There is something happening. I said before we should not accept that every aid is meant to be good for this nation," Magufuli said, adding the kits should be investigated.
As of Sunday, Tanzania had recorded 480 cases of Covid-19 and 17 deaths but unlike most other African countries, Dar es Salaam sometimes goes for days without offering updates, with the last bulletin on cases on Wednesday.
Magufuli also said that he was sending a plane to collect a cure being promoted by Madagascar's president. The herbal mix has not yet undergone internationally recognised scientific testing.
"I'm communicating with Madagascar," he said during a speech, adding: "They have got a medicine. We will send a flight there and the medicine will be brought in the country so that Tanzanians too can benefit."
Covid-19 infections and fatalities reported across Africa have been relatively low compared with the United States, parts of Asia and Europe. But Africa also has extremely low levels of testing, with rates of only around 500 per million people.
(07-01-2020, 01:54 AM)AussieBengal Wrote: So you don't trust doctors in your own country but are happy to use reports from Tanzania? ok
They are reporting our hospitals are full and the centers they set up in Dayton Ohio had big lines testing. A guy took his camera to centers that was supposed to have big lines and there was not a car in the parking lots around the tents set up to handle the overflow from the hospitals. He then went to the hospitals and tried to go inside as soon as he walked threw the doors he was surrounded by nurses and security and told to leave or they would call the cops so he went to other hospitals in Dayton and the same things happened there. In our country right now there is political tug of wars between the left and right you can not believe a word they say you have to question any information. Since the left controls the media so no I do not trust the Doctors or anyone at this point in America.
(07-01-2020, 06:13 AM)AussieBengal Wrote: So how do you explain what happened in Italy? What is happening in Brazil? or is this a world wide conspiracy?
Everybody's in on it. World governments, multi-billion dollar corporations, the hundreds of thousands of dead people. A prank for the ages!
(07-01-2020, 04:11 AM)AussieBengal Wrote: Mate, you can't seriously believe that?
Unfortunately, he does. And 35% of the US population believes the same thing.
Those same people do not believe that the current occupant of the White House ever said ... "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."
(06-30-2020, 05:09 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That’s too bad. Hope your plans work out better in April.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
(06-30-2020, 08:40 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: I was supposed to have arrived there this past Friday and stayed for two weeks. Obviously that did not happen...
(06-30-2020, 05:07 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: First documented case of Covid 19 in Wyoming was in March. The first case of Covid 19 in the US was January in Washington.
You were sick in January, correct? Why do you believe your family had Covid 19 two months before anyone else in your state?
Documented is the key word Breech. My sister had all the systems, just came back from Sacramento.
There are lots of questions unanswered and anyone saying we know everything is not correct.
What do we know? 1.
We have to protect those in nursing home, those 75 and older and especially anyone over 75 that has severe heart issues, immunity deficiencies, diabetes, obesity and other pre-existing conditions that a person's immune system due the deficiency has a high death rate.
This has extremely small death rates for anyone under 50 years old that is healthy and near zero for children 16 and under with no underlying conditions. These individuals also rarely suffer any long term effects from the virus and more likely to not know they were infected.
The CDC estimates 10X the number of reported cases in the US, but the deaths are being possibly over reported. If some states Cov-19 is listed as the cause when in fact it was an underlying condition. This needs to be cleaned up Nationally so we know the true death rate when all is said and done. But, if the CDC report stating 10X the cases, then that would make the death rate for this virus less than the common flu. But, noone wants to report those possibilities. Instead we keep hearing about infections of people that have a 99.8 chance of survival.
Having said all of that, social distance, wash your hands, take your temperature daily and wear a mask if you can't social distance for any reason. Yes, it is giving up a freedom, but if it saves one life you can feel good knowing it was not you who infected anyone. The virsy is real, the issue is we need the media to report honestly on death rates versus attempting scare tactics to force people into compliance,
I am so ready for 2024 season. I love pro football and hoping for a great Bengals year. Regardless, always remember it is a game and entertainment.
(07-01-2020, 11:47 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Documented is the key word Breech. My sister had all the systems, just came back from Sacramento.
It was here a lot earlier than March.
The majority of Covid 19 patients have cold or flu symptoms. The majority of patients with cold a flu symptoms have a cold or a flu, especially in January 2020.
If a patient comes in complaining of cold or flu symptoms there is no way I can diagnosis them with Covid 19 without testing. The same holds true for self diagnosis. Because the symptoms and the exam findings can be the same.
I suggest you get IgG antibody testing. However, there is a caveat. Right now we don’t know how long IgG antibodies remain circulating in your body at detectable levels for Covid 19. If you have IgG antibodies for Covid 19, you had it over 4-6 weeks ago. But, if you don’t have them that doesn’t prove you didn’t have Covid 19 in January. The vast majority of people we have done antibody testing for because they had all the symptoms months ago have been negative. While 10-20% of the PCR tests we’ve performed in June have been positive.
(07-01-2020, 12:26 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: There are lots of questions unanswered and anyone saying we know everything is not correct.
What do we know? 1.
We have to protect those in nursing home, those 75 and older and especially anyone over 75 that has severe heart issues, immunity deficiencies, diabetes, obesity and other pre-existing conditions that a person's immune system due the deficiency has a high death rate.
This has extremely small death rates for anyone under 50 years old that is healthy and near zero for children 16 and under with no underlying conditions. These individuals also rarely suffer any long term effects from the virus and more likely to not know they were infected.
The CDC estimates 10X the number of reported cases in the US, but the deaths are being possibly over reported. If some states Cov-19 is listed as the cause when in fact it was an underlying condition. This needs to be cleaned up Nationally so we know the true death rate when all is said and done. But, if the CDC report stating 10X the cases, then that would make the death rate for this virus less than the common flu. But, noone wants to report those possibilities. Instead we keep hearing about infections of people that have a 99.8 chance of survival.
Having said all of that, social distance, wash your hands, take your temperature daily and wear a mask if you can't social distance for any reason. Yes, it is giving up a freedom, but if it saves one life you can feel good knowing it was not you who infected anyone. The virsy is real, the issue is we need the media to report honestly on death rates versus attempting scare tactics to force people into compliance,
Much of what you say is true. But, Covid 19 is not an underlying condition. It is an acute infection.
If someone comes into the ER with difficulty breathing and is admitted into the ICU for acute exacerbation of COPD and Covid 19 and subsequently dies which one killed the patient?
(07-01-2020, 12:26 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: There are lots of questions unanswered and anyone saying we know everything is not correct.
What do we know? 1.
We have to protect those in nursing home, those 75 and older and especially anyone over 75 that has severe heart issues, immunity deficiencies, diabetes, obesity and other pre-existing conditions that a person's immune system due the deficiency has a high death rate.
This has extremely small death rates for anyone under 50 years old that is healthy and near zero for children 16 and under with no underlying conditions. These individuals also rarely suffer any long term effects from the virus and more likely to not know they were infected.
The CDC estimates 10X the number of reported cases in the US, but the deaths are being possibly over reported. If some states Cov-19 is listed as the cause when in fact it was an underlying condition. This needs to be cleaned up Nationally so we know the true death rate when all is said and done. But, if the CDC report stating 10X the cases, then that would make the death rate for this virus less than the common flu. But, noone wants to report those possibilities. Instead we keep hearing about infections of people that have a 99.8 chance of survival.
Having said all of that, social distance, wash your hands, take your temperature daily and wear a mask if you can't social distance for any reason. Yes, it is giving up a freedom, but if it saves one life you can feel good knowing it was not you who infected anyone. The virsy is real, the issue is we need the media to report honestly on death rates versus attempting scare tactics to force people into compliance,
(07-01-2020, 12:26 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: There are lots of questions unanswered and anyone saying we know everything is not correct.
What do we know? 1.
We have to protect those in nursing home, those 75 and older and especially anyone over 75 that has severe heart issues, immunity deficiencies, diabetes, obesity and other pre-existing conditions that a person's immune system due the deficiency has a high death rate.
This has extremely small death rates for anyone under 50 years old that is healthy and near zero for children 16 and under with no underlying conditions. These individuals also rarely suffer any long term effects from the virus and more likely to not know they were infected.
The CDC estimates 10X the number of reported cases in the US, but the deaths are being possibly over reported. If some states Cov-19 is listed as the cause when in fact it was an underlying condition. This needs to be cleaned up Nationally so we know the true death rate when all is said and done. But, if the CDC report stating 10X the cases, then that would make the death rate for this virus less than the common flu. But, noone wants to report those possibilities. Instead we keep hearing about infections of people that have a 99.8 chance of survival.
Having said all of that, social distance, wash your hands, take your temperature daily and wear a mask if you can't social distance for any reason. Yes, it is giving up a freedom, but if it saves one life you can feel good knowing it was not you who infected anyone. The virsy is real, the issue is we need the media to report honestly on death rates versus attempting scare tactics to force people into compliance,
Looking at Australia's and New Zealand's result here can be beneficial, because out of any countries in the world Australia and New Zealand would be closest to capturing all cases in their country. Australia's case fatality rate comes in at 1.3% and New Zealand's at 1.4%, that is some pretty solid data and both countries have had widespread testing and aggressive contact tracing, so it appears in countries that keep this under control we are looking at a CFR of around 1.3%. What is interesting is what happens once health systems get overwhelmed during a severe outbreak, Italy has a CFR 14.4% and it is over 2 months since they past their peak.
The key with Covid 19 is to prevent your health system from being overwhelmed because once you are overwhelmed the death rate soars and it also has a huge impact on other illnesses in your hospitals as well because they can not be adequately treated so people start dying from other issues non covid because they do not get the care they usually would. It is also worth noting that once your health system is overwhelmed you start to see deaths in younger age brackets as well. The scary thing is once the health system is overwhelmed health systems go in to a triage system where only people with a chance of surviving are treated, where decisions have to be made over who gets to use the ventilator as there are not enough to go around.
What many people fail to realise is the worst pandemics are not the ones that kill a large % of people quickly, they usually burn themselves out as dead people are not walking around infecting others, the worst ones are the diseases that have a high contagious rate, act slowly enough or have a lower death that they are able to infect a great number of people. Covid 19 is not going to wipe out a huge percentage of the population, but it is a good indication of how we will deal with a worse pandemic and the signs are not good. What happens when we get a disease that is as contagious as say measles and has a death rate of around 5%, do you think the signs are looking good for us dealing with that?
What is needed in a pandemic is fast decisive action, the Asian countries already know this through exposure to other epidemics and pandemics in the past, that is why they moved quickly into lockdowns, they have been through the bird and swine flus in the past. Australia and New Zealand showed this and I think will move even quicker in the future. England, Italy and many parts of Europe really messed this up but appear to have learnt lessons from this pandemic. How do well do you think the US has dealt with this crisis? How prepared do you think they are if in 2 years time we have a worse pandemic than this one? Will there reaction be quicker next time or slower? Will people be more likely or less likely to follow advice? Are lessons being learnt from what is happening now? The US is supposed to be the World power so should be leading the world in this. Are they doing this? Why weren't they prepare this time? Do you believe they will be for the next pandemic that could be worse than this one?
(07-01-2020, 02:28 PM)AussieBengal Wrote: Looking at Australia's and New Zealand's result here can be beneficial, because out of any countries in the world Australia and New Zealand would be closest to capturing all cases in their country. Australia's case fatality rate comes in at 1.3% and New Zealand's at 1.4%, that is some pretty solid data and both countries have had widespread testing and aggressive contact tracing, so it appears in countries that keep this under control we are looking at a CFR of around 1.3%. What is interesting is what happens once health systems get overwhelmed during a severe outbreak, Italy has a CFR 14.4% and it is over 2 months since they past their peak.
The key with Covid 19 is to prevent your health system from being overwhelmed because once you are overwhelmed the death rate soars and it also has a huge impact on other illnesses in your hospitals as well because they can not be adequately treated so people start dying from other issues non covid because they do not get the care they usually would. It is also worth noting that once your health system is overwhelmed you start to see deaths in younger age brackets as well. The scary thing is once the health system is overwhelmed health systems go in to a triage system where only people with a chance of surviving are treated, where decisions have to be made over who gets to use the ventilator as there are not enough to go around.
What many people fail to realise is the worst pandemics are not the ones that kill a large % of people quickly, they usually burn themselves out as dead people are not walking around infecting others, the worst ones are the diseases that have a high contagious rate, act slowly enough or have a lower death that they are able to infect a great number of people. Covid 19 is not going to wipe out a huge percentage of the population, but it is a good indication of how we will deal with a worse pandemic and the signs are not good. What happens when we get a disease that is as contagious as say measles and has a death rate of around 5%, do you think the signs are looking good for us dealing with that?
What is needed in a pandemic is fast decisive action, the Asian countries already know this through exposure to other epidemics and pandemics in the past, that is why they moved quickly into lockdowns, they have been through the bird and swine flus in the past. Australia and New Zealand showed this and I think will move even quicker in the future. England, Italy and many parts of Europe really messed this up but appear to have learnt lessons from this pandemic. How do well do you think the US has dealt with this crisis? How prepared do you think they are if in 2 years time we have a worse pandemic than this one? Will there reaction be quicker next time or slower? Will people be more likely or less likely to follow advice? Are lessons being learnt from what is happening now? The US is supposed to be the World power so should be leading the world in this. Are they doing this? Why weren't they prepare this time? Do you believe they will be for the next pandemic that could be worse than this one?
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