(11-12-2020, 10:02 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: The one thing that really makes Watt is the players that are on the line with him.  Hubbard had a solid 2019 because Dunlap played well the back half and Geno was playing well.  

This sounds like the same excuse made for Dalton.
"If Dalton has all his weapons healthy and a good OL, he is good."
Well yes, obviously it helps, but the reality is Hubbard isn't getting to the QB enough to even be in the same conversation as Watt.
Hubbard is better in the run game though.

(11-12-2020, 10:42 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Well the Bengals did allow 218 just last game, and I think the Steelers will run it a lot against the team who has bad run defense.

The Bengals were also up by three scores and in a full on prevent, where the Titans got most of their yards.  I'm ok with us being up three scores against pitt 

(11-12-2020, 10:43 AM)ochocincos Wrote: This sounds like the same excuse made for Dalton.
"If Dalton has all his weapons healthy and a good OL, he is good."
Well yes, obviously it helps, but the reality is Hubbard isn't getting to the QB enough to even be in the same conversation as Watt.
Hubbard is better in the run game though.

Well, based on what I saw out of Hubbard in week 1 last year, I like his potential and this being his third year I still have high hopes for him.  That being said, if you look at who Watt is playing with this season and compare to who Hubbard is lining up with Sunday, it isn't even close.  I believe that makes a difference.  

(11-12-2020, 01:07 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: The Bengals were also up by three scores and in a full on prevent, where the Titans got most of their yards.  I'm ok with us being up three scores against pitt 

Well that's actually wrong.

In the first half, the Titans already had 94 rushing yards. The score was 7-17 at that point.
The Titans actually had 147 rushing yards before the Bengals went up 24-7.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202011010cin.htm#all_pbp

(11-12-2020, 01:10 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Well, based on what I saw out of Hubbard in week 1 last year, I like his potential and this being his third year I still have high hopes for him.  That being said, if you look at who Watt is playing with this season and compare to who Hubbard is lining up with Sunday, it isn't even close.  I believe that makes a difference.  

Maybe at some point Hubbard gets to the pass rushing level of Watt.
He's not there yet.

I never said he couldn't, I just said he wasn't there yet.

(11-12-2020, 01:25 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Maybe at some point Hubbard gets to the pass rushing level of Watt.
He's not there yet.

I never said he couldn't, I just said he wasn't there yet.

I hope so but I doubt it. He was not that type of player at OSU either. He was your more traditional run-stopping, hard-nosed player that played consistent. He's just not at the same talent level as Watt, but not to many are so not really a knock on Sam. They just have ridiculously good genetics.

(11-12-2020, 01:33 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: I hope so but I doubt it. He was not that type of player at OSU either. He was your more traditional run-stopping, hard-nosed player that played consistent. He's just not at the same talent level as Watt, but not to many are so not really a knock on Sam. They just have ridiculously good genetics.

That's my take too.
Hubbard is a well-rounded edge guy who will put up probably 6-9 sacks a year.
I don't see him becoming a consistent double-digit sack guy like Watt and some others.

I tend to believe that pass rushing DEs are more valued now then
Than DEs that can stop the run.
I mean look at Bud Dupree and and TJ Watt. They were
Drafted on their ability to create havoc on the QB not stop the run.

Just prepare for a Shittsburgh BLOWOUT win, that way anything other than that will be a pleasant surprise.

(11-11-2020, 07:19 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Watt is a sack specialist.
41.5 sacks in 55 games (0.75 sack per game)
Watt's also had double-digit TFLs every season.

Hubbard only has 15.5 sacks in 36 games (0.43 sack per game)
Only 1 season with double-digit TFLs.
So he's not really on Watt's level.

Hubbard's best season (2019) looks most closely to Watt's rookie year.
Watt 2017 - 7.0 sack, 10 TFL, 13 QB hits
Hubbard 2019 - 8.5 sack, 7 TFL, 13 QB hits
Hubbard had 22 more tackles though

Yeah, TJ Watt is damn good, don't get me wrong. I just think Hubbard is more versatile and if used right could be damn good
himself. Didn't Hubbard have a damn good rookie year himself in 2017?

(11-12-2020, 02:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, TJ Watt is damn good, don't get me wrong. I just think Hubbard is more versatile and if used right could be damn good
himself. Didn't Hubbard have a damn good rookie year himself in 2017?

Not as good as last year.
2018 - 6.0 sacks, 39 tackles, 7 TFL, 9 QB hits, 1 FF, 2 PDs

Not bad by any means, but not elite.

(11-12-2020, 02:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Not as good as last year.
2018 - 6.0 sacks, 39 tackles, 7 TFL, 9 QB hits, 1 FF, 2 PDs

Not bad by any means, but not elite.

Thanks, I remember it being on par with TJ Watt's rookie year. Still think if used right Hubbard could be an 8 sack guy a year type
End if he stays healthy. He is great using his hands and has very good athleticism, just hope his arm injury doesn't hamper him.

(11-12-2020, 03:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thanks, I remember it being on par with TJ Watt's rookie year. Still think if used right Hubbard could be an 8 sack guy a year type
End if he stays healthy. He is great using his hands and has very good athleticism, just hope his arm injury doesn't hamper him.

Yea he was used that way last year.
But some are comparing him to TJ Watt, who is a 12-14 sacks a year guy.
He's better in the run game but worse as a pass rusher.

(11-12-2020, 03:52 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yea he was used that way last year.
But some are comparing him to TJ Watt, who is a 12-14 sacks a year guy.
He's better in the run game but worse as a pass rusher.

Agreed. I won't compare him to Watt, different type of players.

(11-12-2020, 01:24 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Well that's actually wrong.

In the first half, the Titans already had 94 rushing yards. The score was 7-17 at that point.
The Titans actually had 147 rushing yards before the Bengals went up 24-7.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202011010cin.htm#all_pbp

Up two scores, sorry. 

(11-12-2020, 06:14 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Up two scores, sorry. 

I'd have to go back to rewatch the game, but I don't recall them being in "prevent" defense up just by 10 that early in the game.
If they were, that's odd.

More and more of the news leading up to this game has led me to believe that we have a real shot at wining. I just can't help but let our past performances against the Steelers, our performance against the Ravens, and Burrows late game non pick last week make me feel otherwise. If they can sort out the pressure in this one, we have a great chance of winning.

Definitely will be a fun one to watch. Hoping for a happy ending for once. If Burrow gets injured I think we will all feel quite defeated. More than a win I'd like to see Burrow come through healthy.

I predict Piggy to leave the game with a bruised uterus, only to return and thrown 4 TDS.

I'll play. Haven't read the whole thread, but here are mine:

3 Positives:
- Ben throws us three picks and we actually win the turnover battle.
- We come in with a heck of a game plan including some tendency-busters, and actually establish the run early.
- We don't get blown out.

3 Negatives:
- We can't protect Burrow and he plays about like he did against Baltimore.
- The Steelers adjust to our great game plan and shut us down in the second half, pulling away late.
- Somebody gets hurt.

I see it something like 24-20 Pittsburgh.

Positive we only play them 2 times a year

Negative we still have another game with them

Steelers 31 to Bengals 17