I want someone respectable with experience building known good defenses. Dean Pees is my first choice, and he apparently wants to un-retire. Not sure this team has a group he'd do that for if he had better offers, but that's who I want.

Wade Phillips is the other, and he also wants to get back into the league. His benefit is that he's not only a great coordinator but also a guy that has been a HC running locker rooms. If Zac is to stay, he needs a respectable 2nd in command to help him out with the ins and outs of being a HC in the league. He has no one like that now.

(11-25-2020, 07:46 PM)samhain Wrote: I want someone respectable with experience building known good defenses.  Dean Pees is my first choice, and he apparently wants to un-retire.  Not sure this team has a group he'd do that for if he had better offers, but that's who I want.

Wade Phillips is the other, and he also wants to get back into the league.  His benefit is that he's not only a great coordinator but also a guy that has been a HC running locker rooms.  If Zac is to stay, he needs a respectable 2nd in command to help him out with the ins and outs of being a HC in the league.  He has no one like that now.

Pees would be amazing but I would be shocked if we were the type of team/situation to bring him our of retirement. I don't think our defensive players are that much different than what Tennessee had though.

(11-25-2020, 04:19 PM)Geno_Can_Dunk Wrote: I know everybody's out for ZTs head, but let's face it, we all know he's back next year. But Anarumo is more likely gone. And because I prefer to use this board to talk about solutions (rather than just griping all the time), I wanted to start a thread on possible DC candidates.

Anthony Weaver. Currently Houston's DC, often talked about as a future head coach. I wonder if whomever their new coach is will clean out the staff, freeing Weaver up to come here. Former NFL D-lineman.

Aaron Glenn. Former NFL CB and current CB coach of the Saints. Often talked about as a future DC. Either of these guys should be able to command the respect of the players, whereas Anarumo does not.

Keep seeing buzz around here about Kerry Coombs, Ohio State DC. I don't know enough about him to say. Is that a legit possibility, or is the buzz just because he's local? I know he was a big time high school coach and his son used to coach here.

Any other thoughts? Please nobody say Marvin Lewis.... he might be a fine DC but there's no way he's coming back.

Kerry Coobs would be a demanding coach ala Zimmer. As far as communication issues he's a successful DC a a major D1 school. He's obviously doing something right...

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(11-25-2020, 07:46 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: I don’t think Rob Ryan is gainfully employed at the moment.  Neither is Dean Pees. Wade Phillips wouldn’t lower himself to come to Cincinnati.

Dean Pees isn't just a name, it's a sentence. 

(11-24-2020, 08:27 PM)DesertBengal Wrote: If Lou gets fired and Zac stays, I think it’s going to be slim picking for a new DC.  

Zac would be entering a make or break year, and with another dismal season could be fired.  What DC candidate with other options would want to align themselves with Zac, only to possibly be fired after 1 season when a new head coach comes in and wants to bring in “their guys”.

Unless the DC candidate really believes in Zac and his ability to turn things around, I would think a young DC candidate will see this as possibly a 1-year gig and not very appealing.  The exception would be guys like Zimmer and Dan Quinn who would be looking for another head coaching opportunity and may just have to wait out a year to possibly supplant Zac.

These are all really good points. 

With MB running the show, does it really matter?

(11-25-2020, 04:49 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: How about Matt Patricia?

I’d be surprised if he survived the offseason as Lions HC.

This is an interesting thought.  Most of Belicheck's coaching tree doesn't have success at the HC level, but he had a hell of a defense in New England.  Sounds trite, but I don't think his bearded hoodie look jives well with what the Brown's want for their coaches, though.  

(11-24-2020, 08:27 PM)DesertBengal Wrote: If Lou gets fired and Zac stays, I think it’s going to be slim picking for a new DC.  

Zac would be entering a make or break year, and with another dismal season could be fired.  What DC candidate with other options would want to align themselves with Zac, only to possibly be fired after 1 season when a new head coach comes in and wants to bring in “their guys”.

Unless the DC candidate really believes in Zac and his ability to turn things around, I would think a young DC candidate will see this as possibly a 1-year gig and not very appealing.  The exception would be guys like Zimmer and Dan Quinn who would be looking for another head coaching opportunity and may just have to wait out a year to possibly supplant Zac.

I may be an optimist, but I'd lean towards the last part. Nfl coaching positions are limited. New guys take what they can get; an experienced coach could see the opportunity to move into the driver's seat.

(11-24-2020, 08:27 PM)DesertBengal Wrote: If Lou gets fired and Zac stays, I think it’s going to be slim picking for a new DC.  

Zac would be entering a make or break year, and with another dismal season could be fired.  What DC candidate with other options would want to align themselves with Zac, only to possibly be fired after 1 season when a new head coach comes in and wants to bring in “their guys”.

Unless the DC candidate really believes in Zac and his ability to turn things around, I would think a young DC candidate will see this as possibly a 1-year gig and not very appealing.  The exception would be guys like Zimmer and Dan Quinn who would be looking for another head coaching opportunity and may just have to wait out a year to possibly supplant Zac.

I'd look at it a different way.

The DC is in a no-lose situation if he can make a positive impact. If Zac turns things around (and with Burrow at QB this is a realistic prospect), the Bengals become a hot team and with that comes opportunities.

If Zac doesn't turn it around he's out and an up and coming DC will have the inside line on the HC position.

Whilst there are lots of holes on that D there is also some talent to work with. You'll have the best safety in the League to work with. You'll have DJ Reader returning up front. That's two elite players. Sam Hubbard and Logan Wilson look like two young cornerstones. Maybe they re-sign one or both of WJIII and Lawson. With the franchise QB in place on a cheap rookie deal, Tee Higgins and Boyd at WR, Mixon at RB, Jonah Williams at LT you've got a lot of the offensive pieces in place meaning the draft and free agency focus can be on D. OK, they'll probably take Sewell but after that you should get some decent picks to work with: the 35th and 67th picks this year, probably the first rounder the year after. 

This is a much more attractive proposition than the job would have been a year or two ago.

(11-25-2020, 07:46 PM)samhain Wrote: I want someone respectable with experience building known good defenses. Dean Pees is my first choice, and he apparently wants to un-retire. Not sure this team has a group he'd do that for if he had better offers, but that's who I want.

Wade Phillips is the other, and he also wants to get back into the league. His benefit is that he's not only a great coordinator but also a guy that has been a HC running locker rooms. If Zac is to stay, he needs a respectable 2nd in command to help him out with the ins and outs of being a HC in the league. He has no one like that now.

And that's why I wouldn't even consider him.

The guy has, "retired," twice already and wants to come back again? So he can retire 2 years later again?

**** him.

I see Watson hung 41 on Matt Patrica’s Lions last night. Yikes.

Jack Del Rio....oh wait, nevermind.