(01-21-2021, 10:12 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s not arm strength. It’s timing. Most of his misses were actually overthrown.

Agree, it is also an added bonus that Burrow has worked with Chase before.

They can be on the same page right off the bat.

(01-22-2021, 03:42 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree, it is also an added bonus that Burrow has worked with Chase before.

They can be on the same page right off the bat.

playing in college does not mean a quick easy transition to NFL for a few reasons

1.  Will be a different offense
2.   Your calls and language will be different
3.  Speed and Level of game is different.

I agree it is nice to have played together in college but in the end  won't matter that much when it comes down to deciding on what player to draft and from Burrow's interview I don;t get the feeling he will be pushing to draft Chase over other players

(01-22-2021, 03:42 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree, it is also an added bonus that Burrow has worked with Chase before.

They can be on the same page right off the bat.

Yep. Chase averaged 21.2 yards in 2019 playing with Burrow. There was not a better WR in college at stretching the field.

For comparison sake Smith just averaged 15.9 during his Heisman season.

(01-22-2021, 09:09 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yep. Chase averaged 21.2 yards in 2019 playing with Burrow. There was not a better WR in college at stretching the field.

For comparison sake Smith just averaged 15.9 during his Heisman season.

Mo Egger (Cincy local ESPN host and Bengals reporter) had a draft expert on his show tonight and the guy said that Jamarr Chase is better than Smith.... even having sat out a year and not being seen.

Said Chase was more dynamic, bigger, stronger.... better at deep balls and better at the underneath stuff. There isn't a thing Smith is better than Jamarr Chase at.... according to Draft Network guy (or whatever site he was from)

Chase is an absolute MONSTER player. Jefferson tore thw NFL up and was a distant 2nd fiddle to Chase on that team.

(01-22-2021, 09:37 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Mo Egger (Cincy local ESPN host and Bengals reporter) had a draft expert on his show tonight and the guy said that Jamarr Chase is better than Smith.... even having sat out a year and not being seen.

Said Chase was more dynamic, bigger, stronger.... better at deep balls and better at the underneath stuff. There isn't a thing Smith is better than Jamarr Chase at.... according to Draft Network guy (or whatever site he was from)

Chase is an absolute MONSTER player. Jefferson tore thw NFL up and was a distant 2nd fiddle to Chase on that team.

Again... this is great but deep balls require a pocket.
A pocket requires an online.

We are building the team backwards if we take Chase. 

Build the line then get weapons then get the QB. The Bengals are following the late year Al Davis strategy while the rest of the division has awesome lines.

(01-22-2021, 10:34 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Again... this is great but deep balls require a pocket.
A pocket requires an online.

We are building the team backwards if we take Chase. 

Build the line then get weapons then get the QB. The Bengals are following the late year Al Davis strategy while the rest of the division has awesome lines.

We all agree then, build the trenches, add weapons.

Jamarr Chase is a weapon.

I don't care how you come about it. I want Sewell but if he ain't there grab Chase or trade down.

(01-22-2021, 09:09 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yep. Chase averaged 21.2 yards in 2019 playing with Burrow. There was not a better WR in college at stretching the field.

For comparison sake Smith just averaged 15.9 during his Heisman season.

(01-22-2021, 09:37 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Mo Egger (Cincy local ESPN host and Bengals reporter) had a draft expert on his show tonight and the guy said that Jamarr Chase is better than Smith.... even having sat out a year and not being seen.

Said Chase was more dynamic, bigger, stronger.... better at deep balls and better at the underneath stuff. There isn't a thing Smith is better than Jamarr Chase at.... according to Draft Network guy (or whatever site he was from)

Chase is an absolute MONSTER player. Jefferson tore thw NFL up and was a distant 2nd fiddle to Chase on that team.

(01-22-2021, 10:34 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Again... this is great but deep balls require a pocket.
A pocket requires an online.

We are building the team backwards if we take Chase. 

Build the line then get weapons then get the QB. The Bengals are following the late year Al Davis strategy while the rest of the division has awesome lines.

The #5 pick is not going to single handedly fix the OL regardless who they draft. Ideally they will take care of business in FA, and not force themselves into any one position. Say they sign Taylor Moton and Larry Warford, then you can take a Chase in the first round. Especially if Sewell is already off the board. Putting all your hopes into certain players A) being there, and B) playing at a high level as rookies is not a sound strategy.

(01-22-2021, 10:34 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Again... this is great but deep balls require a pocket.
A pocket requires an online.

We are building the team backwards if we take Chase. 

Build the line then get weapons then get the QB. The Bengals are following the late year Al Davis strategy while the rest of the division has awesome lines.

Oh, no question. However, it has been widely reported that the Bengals are fixing the line via free agency this offseason. Like, widely. They even acknowledged the need to overpay guys and it has been leaked that the sentiment is that they are done drafting unproven o linemen high to develop and they want proven players at those spots NOW.

^ Assuming the above reports are correct, I would prefer Chase if.... IF they fix the line in the above manner. The reports are that Heart is gone and they want to rebuild the entire right side of the line via FA period BEFORE the draft.

Drafting elite talent at spots where they have proven guys there to produce, like WR, is smart, IMO. Bringing in proven players at critical spots to START is also super smart.

BTW, I am a huge proponent of them investing big into the offense THIS offseason. They NEED to get one of their units up to an elite level and the offense is way closer to that than the defense at this point. Besides, in todays NFL, elite offense typically beats even the elite defensive units. I would rather roll out there with firepower than defense.

If Sewell is gone I am fine with Chase - in fact since our base offense uses a 3 WR formation and we only have two good WR Chase would be a natural choice.

(01-22-2021, 11:36 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The #5 pick is not going to single handedly fix the OL regardless who they draft. Ideally they will take care of business in FA, and not force themselves into any one position. Say they sign Taylor Moton and Larry Warford, then you can take a Chase in the first round. Especially if Sewell is already off the board. Putting all your hopes into certain players A) being there, and B) playing at a high level as rookies is not a sound strategy.

Sure if they do that, then pick whoever, but if they can't get Sewell, and they have offers for the pick, there is more value in trading down taking Slater or Darrisaw and getting that extra pick then there is in a WR.

What good is another weapon if Bobby Hart is still out there being a turnstile while Michael Jordan gets pushed into Burrow's lap?

Chase is a wasted 1st round pick if the offense can only run 5 yard routes do to being unable to hold up against the rush.

(01-22-2021, 11:03 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We all agree then, build the trenches, add weapons.

Jamarr Chase is a weapon.

I don't care how you come about it. I want Sewell but if he ain't there grab Chase or trade down.

If Sewell is gone, there would be one of the QBs that everyone wants left on the board most likely.

We need picks, lots of them. We have lots of holes, so if you can't get the top tackle, move down, get the 2nd best tackle and get some extra draft picks.

Boyd and Higgins is a great 1-2 punch, get a WR in the 3rd or with the extra pick from the trade and you are still in great shape.

(01-23-2021, 01:34 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Sure if they do that, then pick whoever, but if they can't get Sewell, and they have offers for the pick, there is more value in trading down taking Slater or Darrisaw and getting that extra pick then there is in a WR.

What good is another weapon if Bobby Hart is still out there being a turnstile while Michael Jordan gets pushed into Burrow's lap?

Chase is a wasted 1st round pick if the offense can only run 5 yard routes do to being unable to hold up against the rush.

They’ll probably have to stay relatively high in the 1st to be able to grab either of those guys. That’s the only issue with trading back. Has to be the right offer (like still in the top 10). They trade back to like 18 or something they could both be gone.

(01-23-2021, 01:44 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They’ll probably have to stay relatively high in the 1st to be able to grab either of those guys. That’s the only issue with trading back. Has to be the right offer (like still in the top 10). They trade back to like 18 or something they could both be gone.

I keep hearing about the 49ers at 12 as a team that might move up with Jimmy G just being hurt and not really showing the skills to take them over the top. Also, Denver at 9 clearly isn't sold on Lock nor should they be. I think at either of those spots you are still very much in play for Slater and Darrisaw. If you get an extra second this year in the trade to move back, then you pick the WR from Houston or Terrace Marshall Jr from LSU, along with Darrisaw, and maybe the G from Tennessee?? That's a huge improvement to this team.

Also, can anyone explain why in round 2 the Eagles are picking ahead of the Bengals? Do the alternate spots the entire draft of 5th and 6th in the round from having the same record? Every mock and simulator has that happening?

(01-23-2021, 02:08 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Also, can anyone explain why in round 2 the Eagles are picking ahead of the Bengals? Do the alternate spots the entire draft of 5th and 6th in the round from having the same record? Every mock and simulator has that happening?

Yeah. When teams have the same record the team with the highest pick will pick last the next round. Everyone else moves up one spot. With only two teams, they will alternate throughout the draft. 

(01-23-2021, 02:15 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Weird. They aren’t according to Tankathon...

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/full_draft

They are!! Look at round two, Eagles pick 37 Bengals 38

(01-23-2021, 02:16 AM)Weazzel80 Wrote: Yeah. When teams have the same record the team with the highest pick will pick last the next round. Everyone else moves up one spot. With only two teams, they will alternate throughout the draft. 

Thanks for that, totally sucks though, seems the worst team should be ahead all along, and this team was clearly the worst team. Hell with the tank job in the last game Philly pulled, they should pick last each round.

(01-23-2021, 02:18 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: They are!! Look at round two, Eagles pick 37 Bengals 38


Thanks for that, totally sucks though, seems the worst team should be ahead all along, and this team was clearly the worst team. Hell with the tank job in the last game Philly pulled, they should pick last each round.

Yeah, I was looking at round 3. That is indeed annoying.

People seem to be ignoring the big difference in quality of player when comparing top 5 vs 15ish. There's a big difference. Obviously you can find players who did better than top 5 but generally it's a lot easier to find a great player with your top 5 pick.

(01-22-2021, 11:03 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We all agree then, build the trenches, add weapons.

Jamarr Chase is a weapon.

I don't care how you come about it. I want Sewell but if he ain't there grab Chase or trade down.

Remember when we had CHAD, HOUZ & HENRY playing together.. that was WR glory. 

(01-22-2021, 03:42 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree, it is also an added bonus that Burrow has worked with Chase before.

They can be on the same page right off the bat.

This. Burrow was talking in an interview awhile back that it took time to get on the same page as his new receivers, becuase he had to learn not only their timing, but where they liked to catch the ball. AJ want's it at his belt buckle area. Tate wants it away from his body so he can use his strong hands. Boyd likes it somewhere else. He will already have this knowledge with Chase. My first pick is obviously Sewell, if he is not there my 2nd choice is Chase. Then Smith. One of the three should be there.  Get a couple of line upgrades in FA and be done with it already.