Brady deserves every bit of praise he gets. Guy takes unbelievable care of his body, and is still balling out (and winning Super Bowls) at 43 years old. Haters gonna hate.

(02-08-2021, 12:37 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: it's been 1 season calm down lmaoo

Brady's first 3 championships were built on dominant defenses and run games. 

He's under . 500 when Brady isnt starting QB.

(02-08-2021, 12:39 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: He's under . 500 when Brady isnt starting QB.

lmao no he isnt

he went 11-5 with matt cassell, then went 4-2 without brady when he had jimmy g

Use your brain

(02-08-2021, 12:35 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Besides for this season and 1 and a half years of Moss. He has never had a probowl receiver. Belichek hasnt won a playoff game without Brady.

Since the Brady and Hoodie became a thing, there were 2 seasons without him.

One season he made Matt Cassel look like a HoF and the other, he had more starters opt out due to Covid then any other team and still was relevant with a broken Cam Newton.

This is the same coach that made Cleveland look good in a time where they were trash, and they fired him too soon... lucky for us.

(02-08-2021, 12:41 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: lmao no he isnt

he went 11-5 with matt cassell, then went 4-2 without brady when he had jimmy g

Use your brain

He did have a bunch of losing seasons in Cleveland and at least one in NE pre-Brady. Not sure the exact numbers though.

(02-08-2021, 12:41 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: lmao no he isnt

he went 11-5 with matt cassell, then went 4-2 without brady when he had jimmy g

Use your brain

Take the Browns years and the Bledsoe year and hes under .500 true story

(02-08-2021, 12:43 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: He did have a bunch of losing seasons in Cleveland and at least one in NE pre-Brady. Not sure the exact numbers though.

woah a bunch of losing seasons in CLEVELAND? Color me shocked the browns stink

And what, he coached 3 seasons there in total? 1 time making the playoffs and winning a game?

Stop this slander. Guy is still the best coach in the league. Dude just went 7-9 with the worst qb play in the whole league and the pats had the most covid opt outs. The fact they finished 7-9 when they shouldve finished 3-13 is a testament to Bill.

(02-08-2021, 12:43 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Take the Browns years and the Bledsoe year and hes under .500 true story

lmao this is pathetic. Literally grasping a straws to deny Bill's greatness. 

(02-08-2021, 12:36 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: it's all luck of the draw. David Carr put up some good seasons in houston with a trash o-line, but that o-line is what killed his career too.

JP Losman only had 1 healthy year due to how many times he was getting hit by opposing defenders. Bills o-line was constantly worst in the league back then. 

But the 1 year he stayed healthy, and the o-line was playing better than usual, he put up the 12th best qb rating.

Archie Manning is another guy that couldve been a hall of famer.

Rivers would have multiple rings if the giants didnt make that trade to ghet eli with the chargers

100% correct.

It's why I hate seeing people try to say this QB is better then that QB or blah blah...

If Brady starts his career in Cincy... you've never heard of him. He'd have washed out of the league long ago.

Right player plus right franchise = championships, but everyone wants to sing and praise one guy... 

And the funny thing is, that one guy had little to do with the win tonight. The Bucs D is the MVP and reason they won tonight.

(02-08-2021, 12:43 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Since the Brady and Hoodie became a thing, there were 2 seasons without him.

One season he made Matt Cassel look like a HoF and the other, he had more starters opt out due to Covid then any other team and still was relevant with a broken Cam Newton.

This is the same coach that made Cleveland look good in a time where they were trash, and they fired him too soon... lucky for us.

Listen, the guys we're arguing with prob sit on there ass at 12 pm and watch first take and colin cowherd. 

They're spewing a bunch of garbage 

(02-08-2021, 12:46 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: lmao this is pathetic. Literally grasping a straws to deny Bill's greatness. 

Quite a large sample size to ignore

(02-08-2021, 12:43 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Only 2 seasons without him.

One season he made Matt Cassel look like a HoF and the other, he had more starters opt out due to Covid then any other team and still was relevant with a broken Cam Newton.

HoF? C’mon now. 63.4 cmp% 3693 yds 21 TD 11 INT 89.4 rating

(02-08-2021, 12:41 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: lmao no he isnt

he went 11-5 with matt cassell, then went 4-2 without brady when he had jimmy g

Use your brain

51-65 116 games 7 and a quarter seasons

(02-08-2021, 12:47 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: HoF? C’mon now. 63.4 cmp% 3693 yds 21 TD 11 INT 89.4 rating

that was good for 9th best passer rating in 2008

Literally made a back up a top 10 qb.

He's the reason jimmy g and that other dude in Indy got starting jobs.

Why cant you admit that Brady AND Bill are both great? Why does it have to be 1 or the other...

I cant believe Im entertaining this drivel

(02-08-2021, 12:43 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: He did have a bunch of losing seasons in Cleveland and at least one in NE pre-Brady. Not sure the exact numbers though.

(02-08-2021, 12:43 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Take the Browns years and the Bledsoe year and hes under .500 true story

In 1994, he won a playoff game in Cleveland with Vinny Testaverde as his ***** QB...

Stop it... the man is a damn coaching legend.

(02-08-2021, 12:45 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: woah a bunch of losing seasons in CLEVELAND? Color me shocked the browns stink

And what, he coached 3 seasons there in total? 1 time making the playoffs and winning a game?

Stop this slander. Guy is still the best coach in the league. Dude just went 7-9 with the worst qb play in the whole league and the pats had the most covid opt outs. The fact they finished 7-9 when they shouldve finished 3-13 is a testament to Bill.

He coached the Browns for 5 seasons. It’s not slander. Just trying to have accurate statements being made. Ofc he’s in the conversation for GOAT HC. But there is no conversation for QB. It’s TB12.

(02-08-2021, 12:49 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: 51-65 116 games

woah like Belicheck is terrible.

I guess Bill Parcels is terrible too since he didnt have much success outside of NYG

He took the browns to the playoffs and won a playoff game when they were crap

he went 11-5 with matt cassell

he went 4-2 with jimmy g

That's all I need to see

(02-08-2021, 12:46 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: lmao this is pathetic. Literally grasping a straws to deny Bill's greatness. 

Ffs calm down.

(02-08-2021, 12:51 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: woah like Belicheck is terrible.

I guess Bill Parcels is terrible too since he didnt have much success outside of NYG

He took the browns to the playoffs and won a playoff game when they were crap

he went 11-5 with matt cassell

he went 4-2 with jimmy g

That's all I need to see

He is below average without Tom Brady

(02-08-2021, 12:47 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: HoF? C’mon now. 63.4 cmp% 3693 yds 21 TD 11 INT 89.4 rating

(02-08-2021, 12:49 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: that was good for 9th best passer rating in 2008

Literally made a back up a top 10 qb.

He's the reason jimmy g and that other dude in Indy got starting jobs.

Why cant you admit that Brady AND Bill are both great? Why does it have to be 1 or the other...

I cant believe Im entertaining this drivel

Nico... see what Frank said.

A back-up QB... who was trash... and then signed a huge FA deal and was shown to be complete trash, was a top 10 passer in the hoodie's offense.

Brady is good, but he isn't getting all this nut hugging love from people if he wasn't paired with Belichick. And he certainly isn't a more talented QB then Peyton, or Brees, or Montana, or even Rodgers, he just landed in the perfect position. 

Carson Palmer would have won 2 or 3 rings playing in New England.