(06-14-2021, 11:59 AM)Synric Wrote: Earlier in the Offseason the Bengals made two moves adding Frank Pollack and Marion Hobby to coach their two most problematic areas Offensive and Defensive Line.

(06-18-2021, 02:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I would argue that the biggest problematic areas were OC and DC, not OL Coach and DL Coach. Both of those guys are still here doing the same job. That's like putting down new carpet down on rotting floor beams.

Also, isn't this Year 3 Offseason for Taylor? Or are we doing that thing where we pretend a guy is a "basically" a rookie for 3-4 years? Lol

(06-18-2021, 02:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I would argue that the biggest problematic areas were OC and DC, not OL Coach and DL Coach. Both of those guys are still here doing the same job. That's like putting down new carpet down on rotting floor beams.

Also, isn't this Year 3 Offseason for Taylor? Or are we doing that thing where we pretend a guy is a "basically" a rookie for 3-4 years? Lol

(06-14-2021, 11:59 AM)Synric Wrote: This week will be the last of the OTA's with Mandatory Mini Camp and marks 2 Months until the first pre-season game. So I thought we could look back at the Offseason moves as a whole.

The Bengals moved on from some big names this offseason including two all time Bengals greats AJ Green and Geno Atkins, but that wasnt all they also lost two starting corners William Jackson III and Mackensie Alexander plus their best Edge Rusher Carl Lawson. WJ3 and Lawson received big contracts that they may or may not have deserved after varying up and down careers in Cincinnati.

Even though Offensive Line was the biggest need in most fans minds the Bengals for the second straight year added experience in Free Agency to the Defense. Trey Hendrickson broke out for the Saints in 2020 after not getting alot of snaps in his first 3 years. He is a smart pass rusher with excellent hands but still needs reps as a run defender so we could see some growing pains in 2021. I really like the  Contract the Bengals signed Hendrickson to he gets paid but it doesnt handicap the Bengals if he doesn't work out. The Bengals added corners Chidobe Awuzie, Mike Hilton, Eli Apple all of them are still young and growing as players but experienced. Duke and Lou have built a young experienced Secondary. They also brought in Defensive Tackle Larry Ogunjobi. Ogunjobi was disruptive but inconsistent early in his career in Cleveland and was forced to play out of position in 2020 due to injuries. 

Earlier in the Offseason the Bengals made two moves adding Frank Pollack and Marion Hobby to coach their two most problematic areas Offensive and Defensive Line. Duke and Taylor after adding experience to their defense set their sights on replacing Bobby Hart at Right Tackle with the Veteran Riley Reiff. This is one of my favorite moves of the off-season because Reiff is a veteran Offensive Tackle still playing at a high level despite being 32 and comes from the exact system the Bengals have wanted to run since Taylor landed in Cincy. He adds experience and leadership to a young directionless Offensive Line room and will be a huge resource for Frank Pollack along with a solid Starting Tackle. They also resigned Quinton Spain who they added mid season last year. Spain had an up and down year but its not surprising considering he bounced from LG to RG several times even mid game and also had a start at RT.

Free Agency didn't go the way most fans wanted because everyone had their hearts set on specific players but the Bengals did add some key pieces at positions of need.


Pre Draft the Bengals fan community was in sort of a civil war over the 5th pick of the draft but in reality any of the 3 targets would have been solid additions to the roster. The team went with the explosive playmaker Ja'Marr Chase. Chase adds the speed to the Bengals Wide receiver core the Bengals have been missing since Marvin Jones left in free agency in 2016. After the receiver they added heavily to the depth of both Lines which has been an issue for several years. Jackson Carman has as high of a ceiling of any offensive linemen in the draft class and a move inside could likely highlight his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. Joseph Ossai, Cameron Sample, and Tyler Shelvin add to the much needed pass rush and depth of the defensive line. D'Ante Smith is an intriguing raw prospect with all the qualities you want in an Offensive Tackle but needs at least a year. Trey Hill could be one of the biggest draft steals after an injury riddled inconsistent 2020 covid season.



I know alot of people are still upset the Bengals didnt spend through the roof on the Offensive Line but they did attack the trenches on both sides of the ball while adding experience to key positions. I really like the direction they are moving roster wise and the smart additions to the coaching staff. Im looking forward to the 2021/2022 season after a full offseason.

Who Dey.

(06-18-2021, 02:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I would argue that the biggest problematic areas were OC and DC, not OL Coach and DL Coach. Both of those guys are still here doing the same job. That's like putting down new carpet down on rotting floor beams.

Also, isn't this Year 3 Offseason for Taylor? Or are we doing that thing where we pretend a guy is a "basically" a rookie for 3-4 years? Lol

(06-18-2021, 02:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: One could argue Year 1 was not intended to be a rebuild, but rather the expectation that Taylor would turn Marvin's 6-10 team into a winner.
It was then determined that a rebuild needed to happen because of the lack of fit that those existing players had in Taylor's and Anarumo's schemes.

(06-18-2021, 02:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I would argue that the biggest problematic areas were OC and DC, not OL Coach and DL Coach. Both of those guys are still here doing the same job. That's like putting down new carpet down on rotting floor beams.

Also, isn't this Year 3 Offseason for Taylor? Or are we doing that thing where we pretend a guy is a "basically" a rookie for 3-4 years? Lol

(06-18-2021, 04:02 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Jim Turner was one of the worst position coaches the Bengals 
Have ever had. Can you tell me what olinemen he has coached under his tutilidge that was even considered good?
He will never set foot in a NFL stadium again unless 
He is a fan.
Oh where is he at now??
Texas State.
Thats all.you need to know

(06-18-2021, 04:01 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Here is where i have my problem.  So people want to say he's only had 2 off season's, and the first one was trying to win wiht Marvin's players.  

Well I think the 1st thing they did wrong was allow the hiring of someone who picked a defensive coordinator who wanted to play zone defense with a defense that played mostly man to man.  Hmmm wonder why that one didn't work. 

Then you bring in an offensive coordinator or sorry head coach who's never been an offensive coordinator in the NFL before and he wants to be head coach and the offensive coordinator.  Well again after 2 years we see how well that one's worked out for this team.  

I tend to agree with whomever said the biggest issues with this team are the OC, DC and you have to throw the head coach in there because he's the one who's stuck with Lou through his 2 shitty first years.  

(06-18-2021, 04:48 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I think it has been a successful offseason, and I also believe Zac and Lou will have a lot of people eating crow this season. Of course, I could be wrong....

(06-18-2021, 04:02 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Jim Turner was one of the worst position coaches the Bengals 
Have ever had. Can you tell me what olinemen he has coached under his tutilidge that was even considered good?
He will never set foot in a NFL stadium again unless 
He is a fan.
Oh where is he at now??
Texas State.
Thats all.you need to know

(06-18-2021, 04:48 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I think it has been a successful offseason, and I also believe Zac and Lou will have a lot of people eating crow this season. Of course, I could be wrong....

(06-18-2021, 04:01 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Here is where i have my problem.  So people want to say he's only had 2 off season's, and the first one was trying to win wiht Marvin's players.  

Well I think the 1st thing they did wrong was allow the hiring of someone who picked a defensive coordinator who wanted to play zone defense with a defense that played mostly man to man.  Hmmm wonder why that one didn't work. 

Then you bring in an offensive coordinator or sorry head coach who's never been an offensive coordinator in the NFL before and he wants to be head coach and the offensive coordinator.  Well again after 2 years we see how well that one's worked out for this team.  

I tend to agree with whomever said the biggest issues with this team are the OC, DC and you have to throw the head coach in there because he's the one who's stuck with Lou through his 2 shitty first years.  

(06-18-2021, 06:51 PM)CoachGeorge Wrote: I think you are wrong but not for the reason you think of.  This team has to jigsaw fit a ton a new pieces together and they have one of the toughest schedule in the toughest division to do that in.  That’s a pretty tall order. I can just imagine all the howling on this board should the team only win 5 or 6 games.  If the team progresses on offense and defense Zac will be back.

(06-18-2021, 06:44 PM)CoachGeorge Wrote: He actually coached 5 players who were 1st round draft picks. He coached a line that won a Heisman Trophy, finished runner-up for the Joe Moore trophy given to the CFB best o-lines, and was the highest paid o-line coach in the country.  

At Miami, he coached Ritchie Incognito (a middling vet) to his first pro bowl. He developed Maurkice Pouncey to his first pro bowl.

This board is really funny with all the hate. Paul Alexander is a greatly respected coach, to read this board you would think he was rank beginner.  I’m not particularly impressed by Turner as a coach.  But he was dealt a pretty bad hand with 2 retirements, all the injuries. the lack of talent and no training camp, etc.

(06-18-2021, 06:56 PM)impactplaya Wrote: I should have rephrased my question. How many olinemen
Did Turner develop as a oline coach in all his years?
Richie Incognito was already a solid linenan before Turner
Got to him. His issue has always been between his ears
Pouncey was going to be good no matter who his oline
Coach was.he comes from.Good football stock.
I.just know when.Turner was the Bengals oline coach as
A unit the Bengals oline regressed.
I see none of the current oline is missing him

(06-18-2021, 02:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I would argue that the biggest problematic areas were OC and DC, not OL Coach and DL Coach. Both of those guys are still here doing the same job. That's like putting down new carpet down on rotting floor beams.

Also, isn't this Year 3 Offseason for Taylor? Or are we doing that thing where we pretend a guy is a "basically" a rookie for 3-4 years? Lol

(06-18-2021, 07:13 PM)BengalChris Wrote: That was my exact thought. Every time fans grant those Muligans years it's always a sign that failure is upon us. Ogbuehi and Ross were, of course, prime examples.

The simple fact is that if Taylor were any good at all this team would have performed better. It's taken him two full years to equal the 6 wins that got Marvin the ax. That's a pretty sad statement in and of itself.