(09-21-2015, 03:23 AM)Bryan Wrote: Simpson was our number #2 in Dalton's rookie year.

(09-21-2015, 03:23 AM)Fresno B Wrote: I'm going to tell you one more time. If AJ Green (rookie or not) is your number 1, your in good hands, not a wolves.

(09-21-2015, 03:27 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: My bad. "career backup" Simpson was our #2.

(09-21-2015, 03:30 AM)Bryan Wrote: Simpson had the best year of his career playing second fiddle to Green. Makes you wonder how good he might have been had he continued his development in Jay Gruden's system that loved airing it out.

(09-21-2015, 03:34 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: So good the Bengals cut him.

(09-21-2015, 03:37 AM)Bryan Wrote: They didn't cut him. He signed with Minnesota. 

(09-21-2015, 02:29 AM)West Union KennyG Wrote: Absolutely not.  Quite honestly, when I look at his body of work, I really don't know how you can say that.
I may not have posted much around here, but on the original site I was one of the original members and have never been called a troll.

(09-21-2015, 04:03 AM)Joelist Wrote: Not again....

Maybe we should just admit that we have two groups on this forum that will never come to agreement on this topic. It was this type of topic that made the old forum unpleasant to be on and indeed a laughingstock on other Bengals forums (like Go-Bengals).

Really - we're 2-0 and Andy is playing great as is the offense overall. We actually played through the two fumbles and still hung 200 rushing yards and 3 pass TDs on the Chargers. The 45 yard pass to MLJ was a thing of beauty as were both the Eifert and Green TD passes. Let's enjoy it - we all are Bengals fans and we're in first place!

(09-21-2015, 03:28 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: No. Rookie Green wasn't even a top 10 receiver. You need to actually look at how good other receivers are, and not be a homer.

(09-21-2015, 09:56 AM)djs7685 Wrote: The people who say that Andy is obviously a top 10 QB are idiots. The people who call him below average are idiots.

The arguments that go back and forth in threads like this just further prove both of those things.

At the end of the day, Andy is playing great this year, but there isn't room for "I told you so!!!" posts after 2 weeks. Andy WILL have bad games this year, even the greatest QBs of all time have bad games, it's absolutely going to happen. What remains to be seen is how often they come up and how bad they are when they do.

If we see another primetime Cleveland game where Andy is throwing the ball at the ground and in the stands the entire game along with a couple other awful performances, there will be quite the case for "Andy is being Andy again". If he continues playing very well as he is now with only a few slight bumps in the road here and there, he can put his foot in the door for top 10 QB talks. Neither side is going to be proven anything until the end of the year though.

(09-21-2015, 02:57 AM)CornerBlitz Wrote: A constant with Dalton is when he gets superior protection he tends to play well. When things don't go according to script is when Dalton looks like he doesn't belong in the league. So far our offense has protected him and he's been upright all season long. I'm curious to see the game when he doesn't get the superior protection...will he be able to make plays?

(09-21-2015, 09:56 AM)djs7685 Wrote: The people who say that Andy is obviously a top 10 QB are idiots. The people who call him below average are idiots.

The arguments that go back and forth in threads like this just further prove both of those things.

At the end of the day, Andy is playing great this year, but there isn't room for "I told you so!!!" posts after 2 weeks. Andy WILL have bad games this year, even the greatest QBs of all time have bad games, it's absolutely going to happen. What remains to be seen is how often they come up and how bad they are when they do.

If we see another primetime Cleveland game where Andy is throwing the ball at the ground and in the stands the entire game along with a couple other awful performances, there will be quite the case for "Andy is being Andy again". If he continues playing very well as he is now with only a few slight bumps in the road here and there, he can put his foot in the door for top 10 QB talks. Neither side is going to be proven anything until the end of the year though.

(09-21-2015, 10:04 AM)Wyche Wrote: He did just that Sunday....which is why I think we're seeing some opinions on the guy changing.  He just looks better.  He rolled out of the pocket, stepped up in it and made some nice throws.....and this is key....he threw the ball away several times, and tucked it and rana few times.  This is the biggest thing I took away from the Chargers game, along with better ball placement.  Even the notorious Bengal hater himself, Dan Fouts, was raving about his decision making under duress.  I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a top 10 QB in this league by no means....but I think he's right outside it, and if he continues to play within the scheme and make smart decisions.....he just might crack the top 10, who knows.

He is still a bit inaccurate on the long throws at times, but at least now, they are slight overthrows instead of underthrowing it into coverage.  The outlet in Eifert is a big help for, to be sure....the return of Marvin Jones is crucial too.  Throw in the dual threat of Rex Burkhead, and this offense has a chance to be special.

(09-21-2015, 09:55 AM)Fresno B Wrote: A Dalton supporter calling someone a homer? Ironic.

(09-21-2015, 01:39 AM)Utts Wrote: ... and he's got off to a fantastic start ... as a huge Dalton critic I feel like I have to acknowledge when he plays well.

We've seen Andy go on some 2-3 game tears before, but the 0 INT's and the way he's getting rid of the ball is really impressive. He's also made some exceptional throws into tight windows.

He obviously can't play like this every week. My hope is his lows will be more "meh", than horrific dips. If he can smooth out the high/lows, maybe he'll have his best season ever.

(09-21-2015, 01:42 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Why can't he play like this every week? This is the first year he has a complete offense around him.

(09-21-2015, 01:59 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: I agree all around. I'm neither a Dalton-lover nor a Dalton-hater. I see him for what he is: an NFL-caliber QB, but a mediocre NFL-caliber QB. I think he is playing as well as his talent level will allow, which is enough. You can't ask or expect more from him. If he plays this way all season and with the talent provided all around him, this will be our best season in over 25 years IMO.

But in the end (and some of you won't like hearing it again), nothing will matter if they don't make the playoffs and win at least one. Those are the expectations. Period.

(09-21-2015, 02:12 AM)West Union KennyG Wrote: Lol - yea, AD is an "average to below average NFL QB."  
Anyone who doesn't have him top-10 is a moron, and I'd argue he's top-5.
A lot of the discussion around AD reminds me of the first year Cincy went to the SuperBowl and after game 1 people were booing Kenny Anderson and wanting him benched.  Some things never change.

(09-21-2015, 10:13 AM)McC Wrote: THIS Andy, running THIS offense, with THIS defense bringing the pain, can take us anywhere we hope to go.

 EVERYBODY, coaches included, has stepped up their game.  Truly impressive to behold.

(09-21-2015, 02:52 AM)Fresno B Wrote: Dalton wasn't thrown to wolves. He actually rode coattails his first 4. This year is his make or break. No excuses.