(03-25-2021, 08:39 PM)Waite Hoyt Wrote: Your giving up a 3rd essentially to ensure you get a second first round talent on the offensive line. I think it would be very well worth the price.

(03-26-2021, 08:49 PM)CincinnatiBengals55 Wrote: The hit percentage on late first round picks and early second round picks isn't a huge difference. You have roughly the same percent to hit. Not to mention we are highly successful at drafting in the third round compared to other teams. This trade isn't worth it. 

(03-26-2021, 09:45 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I really hate when I hear that about the Bengals being interested in someone.
The way it sounds is the Bengals made some mediocre offer, the player got a better one, and the Bengals weren't willing to higher than that.

(03-26-2021, 08:49 PM)CincinnatiBengals55 Wrote: Not to mention we are highly successful at drafting in the third round compared to other teams.

(03-25-2021, 10:14 PM)Synric Wrote: Jay Morrison said some interesting things about Free Agency. The Bengals did their homework on Trai Turner but felt Quinton Spain was the better option. They were also in on both Kevin Zeitler and Matt Feiler.

(03-26-2021, 08:56 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: What are those percentages respectively, how is hit/miss defined, source?

(03-26-2021, 09:04 PM)samhain Wrote: I heard somewhere that they felt like the available guards after Thuney and Scherff were just guys and that Spain was a better value.  IDK about that, but it's believable.  

Does anyone else get the feeling that the organization still relies heavily on the advice of Paul Alexander when evaluating OL?

(03-26-2021, 11:58 PM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: I'm happy to have Spain back. Outside of a handful of guys like Thuney and Zeitler I think he can be just as good as the rest of available guys. At least with Spain compared to the mid to low tier FA prospects you have a guy that has half of season experience with our guys. I tend to agree I think he'll be better with a full offseason (especially non-Covid shortened offseason) working with our guys.

Can't lie though we still need one more G and for the draft I'd prefer to leave it open enough to not feel forced into a specific position.

I feel like Spain probably takes one G spot then you have XSF, Jordan, and FA/Draft pick competing for the other G spot.

(03-27-2021, 01:39 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Spain is paid like a backup, not a starter.

I think it is likely we pick 2 OL in the first 3 rounds. Be it 1st & 3rd or 2nd & 3rd. 

Jonah, Reiff, and Hopkins are starters.

If we take Sewell (or Slater), then he starts, and XSF, Spain, Jordan, and the assumed 2nd OL pick fight for the last spot.

I have to think Leatherwood and/or Davis walk into the starting lineup as well. 

The Rd 3 pick could also end up being another WR, a LB, or DL, depending on how FA pans out. But OL & WR/TE have to be 1 & 2.

(03-26-2021, 10:19 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote:

(03-27-2021, 11:28 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeaaah...

Logan Wilson
Germaine Pratt
Sam Hubbard
Malik Jefferson
Jordan Willis
Nick Vigil
Tyler Kroft
Paul Dawson
Will Clarke
Shawn Williams
Mohamed Sanu
Brandon Thompson
Dontay Moch

That's the last 10 drafts of Bengals 3rd rounders. You have a couple decent role players (Hubbard, Williams, Sanu) but 0 game changers or even really good players. Also an absolute brutal graveyard of bad LBs.

(03-26-2021, 11:02 AM)Au165 Wrote: ...or it was a guaranteed money issue similar to what we have seen all FA. Feiler had 66% of his contract guaranteed, the organization usually tries to limit their exposure to guarantees on multi-year deals to give them flexibility. The Bengals are usually in the neighborhood of 25%-30% on guarantees in multi-year contracts. I am sure they were willing to meet the total money demands of all of the guys we have seen all FA, heck we essentially gave Hendrickson the same value as Lawson, but the difference is structure and specifically guaranteed money. 

(03-26-2021, 12:16 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If I recall correctly, the Bengals' argument for not offering as much guaranteed money is that they are more likely to keep players through most/all of their contracts compared to other teams, so the total money is essentially mostly guaranteed.
But players don't like that approach, and now they are seeing the Bengals cut players early, so guaranteed money becomes more important.

(03-27-2021, 11:28 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeaaah...

Logan Wilson
Germaine Pratt
Sam Hubbard
Malik Jefferson
Jordan Willis
Nick Vigil
Tyler Kroft
Paul Dawson
Will Clarke
Shawn Williams
Mohamed Sanu
Brandon Thompson
Dontay Moch

That's the last 10 drafts of Bengals 3rd rounders. You have a couple decent role players (Hubbard, Williams, Sanu) but 0 game changers or even really good players. Also an absolute brutal graveyard of bad LBs.

(03-27-2021, 03:08 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: 13 guys listed. Too early to tell on Wilson (who I think will be good) and Pratt (more dubious).

Sanu, Williams, and Hubbard are all good picks. So 3/11. Not much else. Vigil is still in the league, isn't he?

(03-27-2021, 11:28 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeaaah...

Logan Wilson
Germaine Pratt
Sam Hubbard
Malik Jefferson
Jordan Willis
Nick Vigil
Tyler Kroft
Paul Dawson
Will Clarke
Shawn Williams
Mohamed Sanu
Brandon Thompson
Dontay Moch

That's the last 10 drafts of Bengals 3rd rounders. You have a couple decent role players (Hubbard, Williams, Sanu) but 0 game changers or even really good players. Also an absolute brutal graveyard of bad LBs.

(03-27-2021, 05:31 PM)yang Wrote: I have been wondering if Bengals saved cap room expecting some good players to still be released.   Jarran Reed anyone?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/26/seahawks-make-jarran-reeds-release-official/

(03-27-2021, 08:17 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: FWIW, last 10 years of firsts and seconds:

Firsts:
2020: Joe Burrow
2019: Jonah Williams
2018: Billy Price
2017: John Ross
2016: William Jackson II
2015: Cedric Ogbuehi
2014: Darqueze Dennard
2013: Tyler Eifert
2012: Dre Kirkpatrick; Kevin Zeitler
2011: AJ Green

Still with team = 3. Longest serving 1st rounder on roster is Price. Guys who signed a 2nd contract? AJ for sure. Eifert?

Seconds:
2020: Tee Higgins
2019: Drew Sample
2018: Jessie Bates
2017: Joe Mixon
2016: Tyler Boyd
2015: Jake Fisher
2014: Jeremy Hill
2013: Giovanni Bernard, Margus Hunt
2012: Devon Still
2011: Andy Dalton

Still with team = 6.