(10-24-2020, 02:01 PM)jj22 Wrote: It wasn't the depth chart, it was the specific rotation for that game. 

You guys act like these game plan rotations are posted all the time. 

And heck yea they will change knowing Hunt and Bledsoe will be in more than Dunlap. Who wouldn't? Probably go pass heavy now. These are professionals who know how to use any info they may get from an opponent. Anything.

If we can spot from the planned game rotation  they are going with a run heavy defense, then surely Cleveland can.

(10-24-2020, 02:01 PM)jj22 Wrote: It wasn't the depth chart, it was the specific rotation for that game. 

You guys act like these game plan rotations are posted all the time. 

And heck yea they will change knowing Hunt and Bledsoe will be in more than Dunlap. Who wouldn't? Probably go pass heavy now. These are professionals who know how to use any info they may get from an opponent. Anything.

If we can spot from the planned game rotation  they are going with a run heavy defense, then surely Cleveland can.

(10-25-2020, 11:25 AM)fredtoast Wrote: The thing is that none of have any way of knowing.  We hear all the time how a playing lining up "out of position" can effect the defense.  So what if Lou's scheme has Dunlap lining up in the wrong place?  What if the run fit assignments in Lou's scheme are off?  

Coaching schemes makes a HUGE difference in the effectiveness of a defense.  Most of the time fans can not even see subtle adjustments to individual player assignments, but the best coaches use the superior designs and strategy to get the best production form their players.  

With the offense it is easier to see the changes in line splits, WR alignment, line blocking schemes, pass route combinations, etc., but defensive coaches also adjust their schemes and assignments from week to week.  Ever notice how some teams seem to get pressure almost every time they blitz while other teams will blitz repeatedly but it always gets picked up?

So I don't think we can just automatically blame the lack of production all on Dunlap.  To me the whole defense seems to be struggling.

(10-24-2020, 11:26 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I don't get this.  Coaches don't tackle.  Coaches don't rush the passer.  He is being outplayed by everyone on the roster at DE and we are calling the coaches clueless for playing guys that are getting better results?  

(10-25-2020, 12:09 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: But the defense Hasn’t struggled. They’ve played well enough to win 4 of the 6 games we’ve played, and some individuals have shined very bright. I can think of several times where players were put in a spot to make a play but they simply failed to capitalize.

(10-25-2020, 11:34 AM)fredtoast Wrote: QB hits and PDs are not subjective.

I do agree that many stats are subjective.  But it would be pretty dull around here if we could not talk about "drops", "sacks allowed", "broken/missed tackles", etc.

And people that know about football know that pressure on a QB makes a difference even if he isn't sacked.  We can argue about how to measure that pressure, but it is ridiculous to say that pressure does not matter unless it results in a sack.

(10-25-2020, 12:28 PM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: Is it not the coaches who are supposed to put the players in a position to succeed? I will take the the side of all players over these garbage coaches after last weeks disaster. Time to move on from all the coaches but Simmons.

(10-25-2020, 12:32 PM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: What games are you watching? This defense has folded more times than not when we needed a stop.

(10-25-2020, 12:45 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: I struggle with the "Is the coach responsible to MOTIVATE" his players argument.  On one side, I see them as professionals that should be motivated as paid professionals to give 100% of their effort.  On the other side, I see teams that "take on the personality of their coach".  Every time I saw a Marvin Lewis team in the playoffs, it looked like they were scared, tentative, and overall uninterested.  And that was some of the biggest names on the team.  

(10-25-2020, 12:09 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: But the defense Hasn’t struggled. They’ve played well enough to win 4 of the 6 games we’ve played, and some individuals have shined very bright. I can think of several times where players were put in a spot to make a play but they simply failed to capitalize.

(10-25-2020, 10:58 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I have been very clear my opinions on Taylor, and the other coaches. 

If you believe there is no effort by the coaching staff and everything they are doing is wrong, then you need to explain the play of Bates, Wilson, ADG, Burrow, Higgins, J. Williams, and perhaps Carl Lawson.  

I see a dramatic difference in effort and results between those players and the ones complaining about playing time.  If I have one tremendous concern for the coaching staff is are they good "teachers" of what they want from the players.  When I see some of the players taking the coaching and performing and others showing a significant lack of effort (and I include Green in this until Indy), I will take those players to task.  Nothing,  not one damn thing is more frustrating to me than a lack of effort.  

(10-25-2020, 01:05 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Doc Rivers said there is no motivational speech he can give his team, it's all smoke and mirrors and for movies. He had a compelling argument, but see where it landed him shortly thereafter. His team also performed incredibly poorly after being up 21 in several games and up 3-1 in the series. He let a 20 point lead dissipate without calling a timeout, IIRC they were losing by 7 points before he actually called a timeout.

I'm thinking very few players are like Jordan and probably Burrow, who are self-motivated by something other than money. How many players on our team are just happy they're being paid and aren't affected that much by us losing?

Doc's argument is it doesn't last very long, about 1 minute or less. He forgot that it needs to be done sometimes then, apparently trying to teach his team a lesson to turn games around with him, lol - one of his sole duties.

Our team still looks like the team of old, a team that doesn't adjust fast enough or at all and relies on talent. We should be adjusting drive to drive. Mixon up the middle isn't working, let's do it 15 more times.

I said it with marvin and with andy, how many teams out there want this "player" or "coach" on their team in the same position? If it's nobody, why are they on our team, lol. Andy may struggle hard in DAL, but he's not even in the same position, he's not a starter. Is Zac a HC on another team? Maybe, because he still hasn't racked enough horrible history to write him off to some, and some team will say "he was in cincy" as their excuse to try. I wonder if we can say if more than half the other teams want this player, he's someone we should try hard to keep.

We'll look back at this year and say we only lost X games by Y points, that's the HC's fault, isn't it? We have to win close games not lose them and it doesn't take much. If we lose every close game, or the majority of them, does it mean anything at all towards his job performance? lol.

Leader takes the fall sometimes.

(10-25-2020, 01:05 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Doc Rivers said there is no motivational speech he can give his team, it's all smoke and mirrors and for movies. He had a compelling argument, but see where it landed him shortly thereafter. His team also performed incredibly poorly after being up 21 in several games and up 3-1 in the series. He let a 20 point lead dissipate without calling a timeout, IIRC they were losing by 7 points before he actually called a timeout.

I'm thinking very few players are like Jordan and probably Burrow, who are self-motivated by something other than money. How many players on our team are just happy they're being paid and aren't affected that much by us losing?

Doc's argument is it doesn't last very long, about 1 minute or less. He forgot that it needs to be done sometimes then, apparently trying to teach his team a lesson to turn games around with him, lol - one of his sole duties.

Our team still looks like the team of old, a team that doesn't adjust fast enough or at all and relies on talent. We should be adjusting drive to drive. Mixon up the middle isn't working, let's do it 15 more times.

I said it with marvin and with andy, how many teams out there want this "player" or "coach" on their team in the same position? If it's nobody, why are they on our team, lol. Andy may struggle hard in DAL, but he's not even in the same position, he's not a starter. Is Zac a HC on another team? Maybe, because he still hasn't racked enough horrible history to write him off to some, and some team will say "he was in cincy" as their excuse to try. I wonder if we can say if more than half the other teams want this player, he's someone we should try hard to keep.

We'll look back at this year and say we only lost X games by Y points, that's the HC's fault, isn't it? We have to win close games not lose them and it doesn't take much. If we lose every close game, or the majority of them, does it mean anything at all towards his job performance? lol.

Leader takes the fall sometimes.

(10-24-2020, 11:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Fans don't like it because they can't get out the way players can.

Dillon didn't care what the fans thought.

Palmer didn't care.

Ocho didn't care.

Dunlap doesn't care.

All people do here is ***** and cry about the coaching and front office.  But then when a player wants out they turn on him.

I guarantee that if any of you guys were in a contract at a horrible job with an incompetent boss who you did not think was treating you fairly you would do what you had to do to get out.  You are lying if you say otherwise.

And for all of you who think Dunlap now sucks why do you care if he wants out?  If he is really so wrong then he won't damage the locker room in any way.  Why would it effect any of the other players if they all knew he was wrong?

The fact is that you really know that Dunlap has a legit beef.  That is the only reason he would be able to do any harm to the "culture" Zac is building around here.  If Zac and/or Lou weren't screwing anything up then none of the other players would pay any attention to Carlos' "whining".

(10-25-2020, 01:43 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You just listed 1 guy who's rated great (overall, but garbage against the run), 4 mediocre starters, and 2 guys struggling hard.... on a team of 53 people.

Wilson: 40.0
ADG: 45.6 (60th ranked LB)
Lawson: 68.5 (30th ranked ED)
Higgins: 70.2 (50th ranked WR)
Williams: 74.3 (27th ranked T)
Burrow: 74.9 (17th ranked QB)
Bates: 90.0 (1st ranked S, but 54.0 grade/61st ranked S against the run)

There's very few players that are doing particularly well on the Bengals this year. Just like last year. It's just that everyone else is so bad that the mediocre starters look comparatively great.