(02-20-2019, 01:51 PM)McC Wrote: Absolutely.  True will be true, whether it works out for the best or the worst.  It wasn't a prediction, just a statement of common sense.  Common sense, it's that thing people used to treasure.

(02-20-2019, 02:09 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: Wouldn't common sense tell you that expecting statistical outliers to prove successful is a fool's errand?

52 year old DB coaches who last coordinated defenses for the Maytag Company's annual Flag Football tournament aren't normally going to be good hires.   

(02-20-2019, 01:56 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He said that? I wonder how AJ Green, Atkins, Dalton, Dunlap etc would feel about that, given their ages.

(02-20-2019, 02:28 PM)jj22 Wrote: Yep, wish I can find it but it's like searching for needle in haystack.

(02-20-2019, 01:54 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I respond with a whopping "well, duh". But you know what started this? You said Anarumo has a better resume than Pleasant.

Since we're not allowed to look at relevant rankings to their position groups - or team success - or coaches they've worked under, why don't you tell me what the heck you were talking about when you said "resume". I'll tell you what teams look at. They look at team success, coaches worked under, and success of the position group. Shit, those things are precisely why Zac Taylor got the HC gig. 

(02-20-2019, 01:39 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Yep, and Sam pegged a 47 year old secondary coach as his new DC, who had no prior DC experience. 

(02-20-2019, 02:38 PM)Wyche Wrote: That was the whole point of that thread, and me bringing it back up.  You don't know, until you do.  To be honest, I had no idea just how inexperienced that staff was until I looked it up.  There are a lot of parallels here.  Now, in no way am I saying this means Taylor will be at least as good as Wyche, I'm just trying to say maybe folks should back away from the ledge a bit here......


Side note:  in his lone season as a HC and calling plays, Sam Wyche was 1-11 at IU, and was hired as the Bengals' HC the following year.  He was also a QB coach prior.  He had exactly 5 years coaching experience TOTAL before becoming the head man in Cincy.  Only 4 years as a QB coach in SF, and 1 year at IU.  He was a grad assistant at S. Car. before playing for the Wheeling Ironmen.

If social media was around in those days, people's heads would have exploded when he was named HC.

(02-20-2019, 02:38 PM)Wyche Wrote: That was the whole point of that thread, and me bringing it back up.  You don't know, until you do.  To be honest, I had no idea just how inexperienced that staff was until I looked it up.  There are a lot of parallels here.  Now, in no way am I saying this means Taylor will be at least as good as Wyche, I'm just trying to say maybe folks should back away from the ledge a bit here......


Side note:  in his lone season as a HC and calling plays, Sam Wyche was 1-11 at IU, and was hired as the Bengals' HC the following year.  He was also a QB coach prior.  He had exactly 5 years coaching experience TOTAL before becoming the head man in Cincy.  Only 4 years as a QB coach in SF, and 1 year at IU.  He was a grad assistant at S. Car. before playing for the Wheeling Ironmen.

If social media was around in those days, people's heads would have exploded when he was named HC.

(02-19-2019, 10:51 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: Defensive coordinator is the most important hire for Zach to get right (if he’s hoping to win this year). I was hoping for an innovative guy that could adapt to the modern game. We’ll see. Thats my take. Del Rio seemed like a slam dunk hire to me, but what do I know?
I feel like Zach is on a short leash with fans from the get go, so he better get this offense playing at an elite level in year one. Fix the oline and put something together on offense or he’s a bust in my opinion. Hope he succeeds and we can figure the defense out with the right coach. We’ll see.

(02-19-2019, 11:27 PM)McC Wrote: Yeah, that's not goofy at all.  Chapionship in year one or fire him, right?

(02-20-2019, 02:54 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: Didnt say that. We have the playmakers to be an elite offense in my opinion. If he cant get one or two more players on the offensive line and get a scheme together to fulfill our potential on offense, he’s a bust. He’s supposed to be an offensive genius. I think its perfectly reasonable to let go of him if he proves otherwise.

(02-20-2019, 02:54 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: Didnt say that. We have the playmakers to be an elite offense in my opinion. If he cant get one or two more players on the offensive line and get a scheme together to fulfill our potential on offense, he’s a bust. He’s supposed to be an offensive genius. I think its perfectly reasonable to let go of him if he proves otherwise.

(02-20-2019, 02:21 PM)McC Wrote: I didn't or won't make any predictions on how he might do.  All I've said all along is there's only one thing that will tell.  I'm okay with waiting to find out.  No prediction I make based on anything will have the tiniest effect on the process.  Fit me for the strait jacket.

Are there guys who were never NFL HC's, OC's, DSC's who succeeded?  And are there others who failed?  Yes and yes.  Makes predicting inexact, doesn't it?

(02-20-2019, 03:30 PM)GodFather Wrote: where is it said hes an offensive genius?



The word genius gets thrown around too generously....hell if thats the case Im a posting genius on here! 

(02-20-2019, 03:33 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: So then, ultimately, the point of message board discussion is to create new and original ways to post derivatives of "let's wait and see what happens, friends."

(02-20-2019, 03:33 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: So then, ultimately, the point of message board discussion is to create new and original ways to post derivatives of "let's wait and see what happens, friends."

(02-20-2019, 03:33 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: So then, ultimately, the point of message board discussion is to create new and original ways to post derivatives of "let's wait and see what happens, friends."

(02-20-2019, 03:43 PM)McC Wrote: Not really.  I'm just presenting that side of the story for consideration, old fashioned as that kind of thinking may be.

Now, I will admit, I do have a somewhat pathological urge to respond to mind reading, assumption, presumption and seeing the future.  But that's just me.  And that's why there's chocolate, strawberry, rocky road, etc. in addition to vanilla.

(02-20-2019, 03:30 PM)GodFather Wrote: where is it said hes an offensive genius?



The word genius gets thrown around too generously....hell if thats the case Im a posting genius on here! 

(02-20-2019, 03:46 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: And it's fine to do that on both sides.

But, like Fred said...these coaches all do have track records. Taylor's has been mediocre outside of his stint with the Rams. He can't even be credited with Goff's development as he was the Assistant WR coach then.

That said, MAYBE he will be a better HC than OC. Some guys are like that. They are better at leadership and qualities like that than actually calling plays. But, Taylor wants to call the plays here...which he was mediocre at at UC.

(02-20-2019, 03:47 PM)McC Wrote: Seems pretty obvious you are not aware of the QB situation there.