(12-05-2024, 08:25 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: People gotta stop repeating this. Anyone who’s not currently employed as a HC would absolutely come here because of Burrow. There’s only 32 of these jobs in the world, and there’s only about 4-5 that come with a world class QB.

(12-05-2024, 09:58 PM)Destro Wrote: While in most cases I would agree, someone like BB has rings and a retirement date to start the clock on his gold jacket. Yes, everyone would love Burrow, but maybe not this ownership. Ownership and the front office has shown often that their dysfunction can tank a season even with elite talents. Bill has been around long enough to know the organizations of the NFL, players who were here, etc. He can pick and choose teams, or sit in the booth. He coaches on his terms. He is from the Parcells tree. Mr. Cook the Dinner, Shop for the Groceries, Parcells. The Bengals have a hard time letting that happen. Happened to Marvin Lewis, and some say they moved slightly since, but all they got was a position coach from an actual good team, that stunk it up until Burrow and Chase were reunited. Rumor has it that was one issue in Atlanta; that he wanted too much control. 

Now Vrabel, him I don't know. He has far less juice than BB, so it could be a talent plus dollar signs would bring him in. He will have choices, though. I mean, players join horrible teams all the time and their careers are much shorter. 

A kind of an aside, is it Zach had little to no choice or decision making in the draft picks/ FA signings or was he green lighting us getting these bums?

(12-05-2024, 10:03 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The ironic thing is Belichick will probably end up in Dallas anyway with another meddling owner after people spent months saying he would never come here.

(12-05-2024, 10:03 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The ironic thing is Belichick will probably end up in Dallas anyway with another meddling owner after people spent months saying he would never come here.

(12-05-2024, 10:47 PM)Destro Wrote: Wouldn't say you are wrong there. Dallas just seems to draws people in, but that crypt keeper needs to be the puppet master behind everything and have his face shown at every turn. Is and has been bad owners, but Jerry Jones is probably the biggest "look at me" owner of them all.

(12-05-2024, 10:06 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Belicheat is headed to UNC

(12-05-2024, 10:54 PM)samhain Wrote: Sometimes Jerry gets desperate and signs a strong coach to bail him out.  Parcells would be the best example.  It seems generally understood that any coach that demands power has an imminent expiration date in that organization.

(12-05-2024, 10:55 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I just can't picture him demeaning himself to try to connect to and recruit 16 and 17-year-olds. I think he'll go back to the NFL for that all-time wins record.

(12-05-2024, 09:58 PM)Destro Wrote: While in most cases I would agree, someone like BB has rings and a retirement date to start the clock on his gold jacket. Yes, everyone would love Burrow, but maybe not this ownership. Ownership and the front office has shown often that their dysfunction can tank a season even with elite talents. Bill has been around long enough to know the organizations of the NFL, players who were here, etc. He can pick and choose teams, or sit in the booth. He coaches on his terms. He is from the Parcells tree. Mr. Cook the Dinner, Shop for the Groceries, Parcells. The Bengals have a hard time letting that happen. Happened to Marvin Lewis, and some say they moved slightly since, but all they got was a position coach from an actual good team, that stunk it up until Burrow and Chase were reunited. Rumor has it that was one issue in Atlanta; that he wanted too much control. 

Now Vrabel, him I don't know. He has far less juice than BB, so it could be a talent plus dollar signs would bring him in. He will have choices, though. I mean, players join horrible teams all the time and their careers are much shorter. 

A kind of an aside, is it Zach had little to no choice or decision making in the draft picks/ FA signings or was he green lighting us getting these bums?

(12-03-2024, 04:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Except Zac is the HEAD COACH. So it's not "his offense" it's "his team".

-With Zac we're always going to start the season in a hole from being unprepared to start the season, normally 0-2. 
-We're not going to be a physically tough team.
-We're going to struggle in the AFCN as long as our opponent doesn't have a trash tier backup player playing.
-We're never going to be a good rushing team and it's always going to be neglected for more passes (Joe Burrow leads the league in pass attempts, we're 30th in rushing attempts).
-We'll never have accountability, because Zac won't fire coaches who are doing terrible jobs.

(12-07-2024, 05:30 AM)Wyche Wrote: Bums were greenlit before Zac.....

(12-07-2024, 10:38 AM)Destro Wrote: Plenty of bums these years, so nothing changed.

(12-07-2024, 10:34 AM)PDub80 Wrote: It's ZT's offense & ZT is calling the plays. Bengals offense is EXCELLENT, generally speaking. I can't just ignore ZT's work on that side of the ball because I'm frustrated at other things.


I agree with a lot of your points, but also feel that ZT can fix those things if he focusses on being 100% head coach and splits his time between the 3 phases and studying clock/situational strategies.


The rest of the "we'll nevers" or "we're not going tos" is just a feeling because you're sad. Be a man. I'm not going to have such defeatist, doom & gloom emotions OVER OTHER MEN'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS & FAILURES. ZT is a smart guy. I believe he will get things right. The handling of contracts on the defensive side of the ball left the cupboard bare & Lou/Pollack are not developing anything quickly or even on a level of avg. Changes have to be made, but I don't think the HC whom the locker room HE CREATED still loves & believes in is the issue.

(12-07-2024, 04:05 PM)Synric Wrote: Zac Taylor has also never produced even an average rush offense the entire time he's been in Cincy. They are also always near the bottom of rhe league in Screens and RPOs. The offensive scheme is mostly get as many guys in routes as they can and let Joe Burrow diagnose and makes plays. Very simple schematically but it's still difficult on the players.

(12-07-2024, 04:05 PM)Synric Wrote: Zac Taylor has also never produced even an average rush offense the entire time he's been in Cincy. They are also always near the bottom of rhe league in Screens and RPOs. The offensive scheme is mostly get as many guys in routes as they can and let Joe Burrow diagnose and makes plays. Very simple schematically but it's still difficult on the players.

No QB has it easier than Goff right now pic.twitter.com/VkSnR1tJIp

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) December 6, 2024

(12-07-2024, 10:34 AM)PDub80 Wrote: It's ZT's offense & ZT is calling the plays. Bengals offense is EXCELLENT, generally speaking. I can't just ignore ZT's work on that side of the ball because I'm frustrated at other things.


I agree with a lot of your points, but also feel that ZT can fix those things if he focusses on being 100% head coach and splits his time between the 3 phases and studying clock/situational strategies.


The rest of the "we'll nevers" or "we're not going tos" is just a feeling because you're sad. Be a man. I'm not going to have such defeatist, doom & gloom emotions OVER OTHER MEN'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS & FAILURES. ZT is a smart guy. I believe he will get things right. The handling of contracts on the defensive side of the ball left the cupboard bare & Lou/Pollack are not developing anything quickly or even on a level of avg. Changes have to be made, but I don't think the HC whom the locker room HE CREATED still loves & believes in is the issue.

(12-07-2024, 10:34 AM)PDub80 Wrote: It's ZT's offense & ZT is calling the plays. Bengals offense is EXCELLENT, generally speaking. I can't just ignore ZT's work on that side of the ball because I'm frustrated at other things.

I agree with a lot of your points, but also feel that ZT can fix those things if he focusses on being 100% head coach and splits his time between the 3 phases and studying clock/situational strategies.

The rest of the "we'll nevers" or "we're not going tos" is just a feeling because you're sad. Be a man. I'm not going to have such defeatist, doom & gloom emotions OVER OTHER MEN'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS & FAILURES. ZT is a smart guy. I believe he will get things right. The handling of contracts on the defensive side of the ball left the cupboard bare & Lou/Pollack are not developing anything quickly or even on a level of avg. Changes have to be made, but I don't think the HC whom the locker room HE CREATED still loves & believes in is the issue.

(12-07-2024, 04:18 PM)jason Wrote: Why are Lou and Pollack getting all the finger pointing at them as far as development? Who has Zac, Brian, Pitcher or whoever developed on the other side of the ball? Burton? Drew Sample? Ryan Finley (who they traded up for)? Charlie Jones? Iosivas?... They took the training wheels off of Chase Brown, but I can't think of anyone else who wasn't already a thing.