(07-16-2020, 01:17 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: So I just looked into the NY "travel ban". The New York Yankees are exempt. The restrictions only apply to "regular travelers". Guess where the Yankees return from to open the season? Florida, one of the absolute worst states to travel to. Then they immediately come back to NY for a 9 game homestand.

So it's not ok for a single person to travel alone from Ohio to New York, say from a funeral, without quarantining. But it is ok for a team of probably 50+ employees return from Florida, where they'll immediately come into contact with another traveling team from DC and then again with from another from Philly?

This is absolute bs. Either this is serious or it isn't. I cannot take a politician like Cuomo seriously when he makes exemptions like this. No decision can be made in good faith when you arbitrarily apply it.

(07-16-2020, 09:30 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No they won't.

And nothing proves it more than the current "mask" situation.  

Even in the overwhelming majority of places where masks were optional the conservatives have refused to wear them for purely political reasons.

(07-16-2020, 10:20 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Please replace the word " the conservatives" with "idiots" and "political reasons" with "all sorts of stupid reasons".

(07-16-2020, 01:50 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: While I think people should be wearing masks to help keep others from getting sick it is not proven that the mask keeps anyone safe.

Quit calling people names cause they don't buy all the BS.

(07-16-2020, 02:15 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: It is proven. Do they keep everyone 100% safe?  No.  Do they reduce transmission? Yes.  That's a proven fact.

I'm not calling people names simply for not buying into "the bs". I'm also calling them names because they don't even have the common decency to don an incovenience that's akin to wearing a tie on the off chance maybe this is shit is actually serious.

Even if people think it's all bs, how many things do we do in our lives to not offend or inconvenience others?  Ex: Farting in public, swearing in front of children, wearing dress pants to a funeral, eating with utensils in a restaraunt rather than your hands.  Think of wearing a mask like that.

Would I like to wear sweatpants or basketball shorts 24/7?  Yeah.  Is it "my right"?  Yeah.  Do I do it? No.  And why is that?  Because I'm not an asshole.  Same reason I don't talk on the phone in a theatre or clip my toenails on a bus. 

If someone doesn't wear a mask at this point they're an asshole. Period.  

And fwiw, my intention wasn't to name call. Fred tried to insinuate that this is a conservative or political statement.  My point was that it extends far beyond that and across the spectrum.  Idiots and assholes come in many shapes and sizes, and from both sides of politics.

(07-16-2020, 02:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I agree with a lot of what you say here Wes but with just putting on and taking off the mask you are touching your face all the 
damn time which is not a good thing regardless of what sickness it is. If I was in the city and around a lot of people I would
wear a mask, but people are getting sick all the time while wearing them too.

I just don't think we know enough about this thing to say one way or the other definitively. 

People just saying wear the mask all the time and this will go away in a couple weeks I think are wrong too. The molecules in 
this virus are extremely small and get through masks so I think this notion is wrong to just always wear masks.

As is locking down and staying in your house all scared. This is not a good idea as when you eventually do get this thing your 
immune system will be down and it will hit you harder. 

(07-16-2020, 12:01 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: TV makes everything political. They say follow the science, but then when the science does not validate their point of view, they change the narrative. I wear a mask in public because I choose to use the old better safe than sorry. But, I have seen conflicting research on masks, including conflicting statements from Fauci on the science of masks.

Quote:I have yet to be convinced masks is the cure all. I think hygiene of washing hands, social distancing have more impact than masks, but again no science to prove it either way as I see reports both ways. Watch the July 15 Laura Ingram show and she has doctors and so called proof masks have little to no effect stopping this virus. The problem is no study has been done of 30,000 + people studying their every move with a mask or without one to verify. 

But, I will wear the mask, but will never judge others who do not wear one.

(07-16-2020, 02:30 PM)Big Boss Wrote: The mask is more to prevent you from expelling or inhaling the larger droplets that come with screaming, coughing, and sneezing.  If someone positive with COVID-19 sneezes, and they're not wearing a mask, there are now visible droplets in the air containing the virus.  And if another person happens to be nearby, and they're not wearing a mask, they're that much more susceptible to contracting it.  

It's like Wes said.  The mask is by no means a 100% preventative measure, nor is it being advertised as such.  But it does help to reduce risk.  And that's all this is about really.  Reducing risk.  I don't want to sound condescending, but the benefits to wearing a mask to minimize spread of a respiratory illness are pretty self explanatory.  And again, all that's being asked of people is to wear a paper/cloth mask when out in public and around other people.  In concept, it's really not much different than businesses requiring you to have a shirt and shoes on - especially those businesses that have to adhere to health code regulations.  Just like you having to have your body and your feet covered, for the time being you have to have your face covered too.  It's perfectly reasonable given the current situation and it's really not that difficult.  But as is often the case, as soon as people are told what to do they ***** and whine and make the whole thing a much bigger deal than it needs to be.  

I've been wearing a mask to work, the gym, the grocery store and the gas station for four months now and I've not once griped about it.  Meanwhile you have other people on Facebook and Twitter acting like their lives are being ruined.
      


  

(07-16-2020, 01:50 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: And even in those instances where everyone wears a mask people still get sick.

Quote:While I think people should be wearing masks to help keep others from getting sick it is not proven that the mask keeps anyone safe.

Quote:Quit calling people names cause they don't buy all the BS.

(07-16-2020, 02:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I agree with a lot of what you say here Wes but with just putting on and taking off the mask you are touching your face all the 
damn time which is not a good thing regardless of what sickness it is. If I was in the city and around a lot of people I would
wear a mask, but people are getting sick all the time while wearing them too.

I just don't think we know enough about this thing to say one way or the other definitively. 

People just saying wear the mask all the time and this will go away in a couple weeks I think are wrong too. The molecules in 
this virus are extremely small and get through masks so I think this notion is wrong to just always wear masks.

As is locking down and staying in your house all scared. This is not a good idea as when you eventually do get this thing your 
immune system will be down and it will hit you harder. 

(07-16-2020, 05:27 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: This is true.



This is not true. Depends upon the type of mask worn.

The CDC recommends face coverings. That could be a scarf, bandana, balaclava, etc. This helps reduce the spread of YOUR germs to others. But, they don’t 100% protect the wearer from getting sick.

By wearing a face covering you are your brother’s keeper, yet you risk infection yourself by not wearing a N95 masks.


Names aren’t beneficial. Especially when you want someone to keep an open mind.

(07-16-2020, 06:19 PM)TPAjwPhilly Wrote: Research has shown again and again that even trained healthcare professionals don't remove PPE correctly.

So if you think that an average Joe is impervious to infection with an N95 mask, you are wrong. And there are multiple versions of n95 masks. The construction n95 masks vent out... so they are not helping society at all.

(07-16-2020, 06:41 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I'm not sure how this is so hard for people to understand.  The masks do more to prevent you from spreading it than the reverse.  No one is saying wearing a mask is making you immune to catching it.  But what it is doing is decreasing the spread from those who have it.

(07-16-2020, 12:19 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I'm very curious to see if any state laws will affect the beginning of camp.  I don't understand how athletes circumvent these.

As it stands right now New York has a list 19 states that have travel restrictions when traveling from.  You're to fill to fill out a form upon arrival to any airport and list where you'll be staying, and you're required to quarantine for 14 days. Non-compliance is to be met with a fine and a hearing in front of a judge, where supervised quarantine may be ordered.  Other states have issued stay at home orders and similar travel bans and restrictions.  

I would like to see sports return as much as the next person but I'll be extremely disappointed if somehow professional athletes are exempt from these rules.  Not just because I think these orders are being made for a reason and that we need to get a handle on this, but because there is no reason they should be treated any differently than any other American.

What message does it send if all of these rules and regulations are put in place if a select few are allowed to ignore them?  How can a govenor or local mayor urge their citizens to take this seriously and use all necessary precaution to only turn a blind eye to the actions of professional sports?

If you want people to take this seriously, and you've done the research, and you're making these rules in good faith then they need to apply to everyone.  If the Mets or Yankees have a team fly in for a game from one of these states and they're allowed to play then that's complete b.s.

(07-16-2020, 06:41 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I'm not sure how this is so hard for people to understand.  The masks do more to prevent you from spreading it than the reverse.  No one is saying wearing a mask is making you immune to catching it.  But what it is doing is decreasing the spread from those who have it.

(07-16-2020, 07:22 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: If I told you we might be able to have football this fall, keep the economy open, and send the kids to school . . . if we all wear a mask, would you do it?