(04-05-2017, 04:42 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: And once they realized he was garbage they released him after one year   .  

(04-05-2017, 04:42 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: And once they realized he was garbage they released him after one year   .  

(04-05-2017, 04:52 PM)Au165 Wrote: ...And you used the term "ever", which was wrong. When you speak in hyperbole to try and add value to your point you're easily disproved.

(04-05-2017, 04:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But you are admitting you were 100% wrong when you claimed no one else thought he was good, correct?

(04-05-2017, 05:14 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Quick question, but who is Hardison?

(04-05-2017, 05:17 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: Cool you win . He's garbage though. Philadelphia gave our shitty Right guard a huge contract too. And they soon realized he was garbage.  Besides Fred , the Bengals and Tampa bay there's not many that think he's good  .

(04-05-2017, 04:18 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Can't really say he would be the best pass rusher when he's done nothing to show it. Again, I stand by overrated.

He has 7 preseason tackles with 1 sacks.

DeShawn Williams has more sacks, tackles, and passes defended in preseason games the last 2 years.

Also, Williams has gotten playing time in the NFL and has a half sack.

(04-05-2017, 05:36 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Once again, DeShawn Williams has had many more opportunities to show his ability because he's been healthy the past two years. Yet in that time, he's only been activated for four games and only amassed 2 tackles and half a sack.

Meanwhile, Marcus Hardison has not had a chance to even take a single snap in the regular season because of injuries in both preseasons.

Assuming health prevails for both players, I have more faith in a 4th round pick that was a projected third rounder and touted as a pass rush specialist but hasn't had a chance to play yet due to injury than I have in an undrafted PS player who came up just because of injuries and has been a healthy scratch for most games and only put up half a sack in four games played.

(04-05-2017, 05:22 AM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: I think it's mostly because Jerome Simpson wasn't as good as people thought too. He had a 50% or lower catch rate 7 of his 8 seasons.

Also. I think Hardison is a bit overrated. Give me Williams over him.

(04-06-2017, 02:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good points but disruption is more important than stats and when we used Geno and DeShawn in the middle we
were much more disruptive in the passing game than when Peko was out there or even Sims...

(04-06-2017, 02:56 PM)3wt Wrote: Could have had Grady Jarrett.

Overthought it and went with measurables/ upside.  It appears to be a trap we fall into a lot.

(04-05-2017, 02:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I wish Hardison would get bigger and stronger and concentrate 100% on DT.  He does not need to be dicking around dreaming of being a DE.

MJ wasted the first two seasons of his career dreaming of being an OLB/DE hybrid.  He was not good until he got bigger and concentrated 100% on DE..

(04-05-2017, 05:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 2015 4th round pick that has been hurt for two straight years, and not played a snap of football, yet some people are convinced he's going to be great.

Basically an even less productive and unhealthy mid-round Ryan Whalen.

Or a less productive version of Paul Dawson. (If you hadn't already realized how low the bar was set.)

(04-06-2017, 02:29 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I get the joke Shady, but in all seriousness i have yet to see much from Hardison, atleast DeShawn has
shown some things on game days even if he needs to work on his balance. Right now i like him better, we
will draft atleast 1 End this draft and probably another DT.

Atkins and Billings are here but the rest of the DT's will be fighting for those last two spots.

We should draft a bigger run stopper.

(04-06-2017, 02:56 PM)3wt Wrote: Could have had Grady Jarrett.

Overthought it and went with measurables/ upside.  It appears to be a trap we fall into a lot.

(04-06-2017, 04:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Valid. I don't think anyone is questioning that Williams looks to get more pressure than Peko or Sims. The debate is whether Hardison would be better. Based on his college tape and scouting report (since that's all we have to go off of), Hardison should get even more pressure than Williams. Ultimately, we'll never know until we can see both make it to the regular season.

(04-06-2017, 06:25 PM)Shady Wrote: We could use a 4th. Atkins, Billings, and Hardison might be really good.Williams has shown flashes, but we've been committed to Peko. With Peko gone, Deshawn might get more PT. I think Malik McDowell is scary good. I was really wondering if he wouldn't be our best pick at 9. Then, I heard about the interview issues at the combine. Did anyone hear any of the details about those interviews? Just curious.