(08-12-2017, 10:46 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I've read two articles this morning that tend to agree with your overall take on the OL's performance, as a unit.  Both said the OL played well, but both were critical of Ogbuehi.  One of the authors went to length to criticize Og's lack of aggression, and the fact that he was walking or standing around, while run plays were still live.  Both authors were quick to point out that Ogbuehi got beaten on multiple plays in Pass Pro.

(08-12-2017, 12:32 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: This is the thing that bothers me the most about Ogbuehi. And I'd be lying if I didn't admit he's by far my biggest concern on this team. It has nothing to do with hate, or my mind being made up. I'd love it if he has an All-Pro season.

My fear is he's the weak link not only on the O-line but the entire team. Hoping he steps it up and proves me wrong.

(08-12-2017, 12:42 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That same author that knocked Ced for not playing through the whistle also noted that his athleticism and some of the technical aspects of his game appear to be improved.  However, he went on to mention that aggressiveness is one thing that cannot be coached.  

Now, to my way of thinking, a strong desire to physically dominate one's opponent, should be one the traits when looking to draft an offensive lineman.  Technical aspects of blocking, such as hand placement, footwork, and learning to stay balanced can all be coached, a desire to be physical cannot.

Now, I have not had the chance to watch last night's game, and decide for myself.  I've only the articles I read, and the opinions of all of you who did watch the game, to go by at this point.

(08-12-2017, 11:21 AM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Ced didn't play great, he didn't play horrible either.  He knows his importance to the teams success and he was probably dealing with a big case of the jitters.  He's got 4 more weeks to correct the "correctables" after reviewing the game film.  

I'm not ready to call him a pro bowler, but I'm cautiously optimistic he can get to an average NFL starter level.

(08-12-2017, 10:46 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I've read two articles this morning that tend to agree with your overall take on the OL's performance, as a unit.  Both said the OL played well, but both were critical of Ogbuehi.  One of the authors went to length to criticize Og's lack of aggression, and the fact that he was walking or standing around, while run plays were still live.  Both authors were quick to point out that Ogbuehi got beaten on multiple plays in Pass Pro.

(08-12-2017, 09:43 AM)Wyche Wrote: I think a bit of an overreaction. I agree he isn't that hot....but at least he's better than he was.  Plus....the Bucs D aren't slouches.

(08-12-2017, 10:03 AM)Wyche Wrote: Not too shabby....albeit against backups.  Westerman and Hopkins played well, I thought.

(08-12-2017, 10:26 AM)bfine32 Wrote: You're not overreacting it's just how we wired. In your mind you have already decided the Ced in terrible at LT. Anything you see to support this assumption will automatically channel you to focus on that and ignore any data that contradicts your assumption.

Ced and the rest of the online (to include Bodine) had a fine night. I don't think Andy or AJM got touched and the running game was productive. Now of course I could be saying this because my mind has decided that these kids are going to be alright. 

(08-12-2017, 01:20 PM)Benton Wrote: Game wasn't aired here, but from what I've seen/heard he didn't do horrible.

And this is coming from a guy (me) who thought at the time he was drafted thAt ogb would be considered a top 10 bust when people talk about the bengals 20 years from now. Last season didn't change that opinion,  but what I'm hearing now (and won't know until I can watch a full game) is that he's at least serviceable.

As always, don't put a ton of stock in preseason.

(08-12-2017, 01:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If I'm going into last night's game with no assumptions, then Ced was not an issue last night.

INT in the readzone

TB marching on our 1st team D

DB play

LB play

Now those were issues.

(08-12-2017, 01:06 PM)Derrick Wrote: Sad! A first round selection striving to become an average NFL starter.
I would never allow piano man to have a say in the draft room.

(08-12-2017, 01:23 PM)McC Wrote: Put it this way--he didn't have disaster written all over him.  At this point, that's what we were hoping to see.  He just might not doom another season.  Now, if he can just get better each week, we might be okay.

(08-12-2017, 01:28 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Possibly.  But there have been several first round ol busts also.  And I meant for this year only.  After the disaster that he was last year, improving to average at a tougher position would be a nice jump.  I would expect further improvement for next year.  

Try a little optimism bro

(08-12-2017, 01:34 PM)Beaker Wrote: I spent a lot of time watching Ced last night. I didn't think he did too bad. Outside the whiff that led to Hill's tackle for loss, he seemed to do ok. And As I see it, he didn't look lost like he did so often last season. And that's what we want...improvement. He doesn't have to be great, he just needs to hold his own and improve. I think he did that last night. He didnt give up a sack last night, and TB has a decent starting DL. So to me, as long as he shows improvement through the pre season, I will not bash him. Just hold your own and keep getting better big guy.