(09-18-2017, 03:50 PM)Au165 Wrote: Can we be fair here for a second? Obviously Whit is better, but Ced and Fisher have seen better competition so far in the season. Our guys have seen Suggs and Watt/Clowney/Mercilous. Whit saw some guys off the street the Colts have rushing the passer then this week he saw Kerrigan and struggled.

Again, I'm not saying Whit isn't better but let's slow down with saying how good Whit is until he actually plays real players.

(09-18-2017, 03:59 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Without cheating, name me another good pass rusher on the Ravens. I think the Ravens and Redskins are pretty comparable. I will give you that the Colts aren't anything to write home about.

Worth noting, the Jags held the Texans sackless in week 1.

So I am still not sure how much it is the Bengals playing against better competition, or simply the competition looking better because the Bengals are so bad.

(09-18-2017, 04:38 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: Whit has been overrated for years I don't care what the fake news PFF says. As a player and a leader.

(09-18-2017, 03:59 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Without cheating, name me another good pass rusher on the Ravens. I think the Ravens and Redskins are pretty comparable. I will give you that the Colts aren't anything to write home about.

Worth noting, the Jags held the Texans sackless in week 1.

So I am still not sure how much it is the Bengals playing against better competition, or simply the competition looking better because the Bengals are so bad.

(09-18-2017, 12:33 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Still brings me back to the thread I made after 2014;

That year, Oniel Cousins gave up more pressures in ONE GAME (ether against us or the Panthers, 8 or 9 of them), than Whitworth did the whole year (7, 1 hit, 6 hurries).

And he didn't make PB or AP that year... just insane, especially with how wel he run-blocked.

(09-18-2017, 04:38 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: Whit has been overrated for years I don't care what the fake news PFF says. As a player and a leader.

(09-18-2017, 05:01 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'll bite. You do realize that the Bengals tried to retain Whitworth right?

IF Whitworth and Zeitler were so terrible...why not replace them in free agency? 

(09-18-2017, 05:05 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: You are a Bengals fan right? We don't do free agency.

(09-18-2017, 05:06 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep...and we have a 4-5 win team because of it.

(09-18-2017, 04:38 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: Whit has been overrated for years I don't care what the fake news PFF says. As a player and a leader.

(09-18-2017, 03:02 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Look at his contract. If he plays well the Rams got a bargain. If he sucks, the Rams can cut him with only $6 million in dead cap money or $3 million for the next two seasons. Whit will be paid less salary this season and next season than the Bengals offered to play one season and if he is cut he will only receive about $2.5 million more than the Bengals offered him. So basically the Bengals didn't re-sign him over a difference of $2.5 million while they currently sit on $12 million in salary cap space. It was stupid not to do that deal and bet Ogbuehi would inexplicably get better from what we saw last season in the span of one off season.

(09-18-2017, 07:51 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am going off memory, but Whit signed for 12 million I believe in 2017, so f they cut him, they pay another 6 million. So if my math is correct, how is paying him 18 million ion 2017 (one year) a good deal for any team again? At that rate, he better be the best LT in the NFL.

(09-18-2017, 05:15 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: Yeah that's why Ced should of been the starting LT about half way thru the year last year and Fisher should of been the starting RT so we would not be flying blind into this year.

(09-18-2017, 11:17 PM)Aquapod770 Wrote: What did Ced show at RT that would make anyone think he'd be any good at LT?

(09-18-2017, 11:10 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That's not how his contract is structured. Again, look at his contract to see the details for yourself.

(09-18-2017, 05:01 PM)Synric Wrote: Wasn't 2014 the year he played half the season at LG? I remember thinking damn Whit is even better at guard than he is at tackle and as one of the best LTs in football that's saying something.

(09-18-2017, 11:42 PM)Whatever Wrote: He got a $5 mil signing bonus and a $7.5 mil base salary in 2017, so he's being paid $12.5 million this year. There's a difference between real money and cap dollars.

(09-19-2017, 10:06 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That's correct. His cap hit for this year is less than $10 million. Does he get paid $18 million for one year if he is cut like Luvinit wrote?  No. If he is cut after one season he gets the guaranteed money and that's all. Or about $2.5 million more in guaranteed money than the Bengals offered. And if the Rams do cut him after one year they have less than $6 million in dead cap space which they can pro rate over 2 years. Both Whit's cap hit and cash pay out for this year is less than the franchise tag for linemen, also. All in all, the only way this is a bad deal for the Rams is if Whit suddenly starts to play like Ogbuehi.

(09-19-2017, 10:12 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I used your numbers of 12 million for 2016 and then you stated a 6 million cap hit if he is cut in 2018. That means if cut, he would have received 18.5 million for playing in 2017. The cap hit gets paid to him and t hus why it has to be factored into the equation.

You are dismissing a 6 million dollar cap hit as no big deal, it is a huge deal even if you put it over 2 years. The Bengals wanted  a straight up 12 million dollar deal for 1 year, but Whittowrth wanted a 2 year guarantee which he got. The entire contract was not guaranteed, but 18.5 million of it was meaning he gets 18.5 million regardless if he plays in 2018. So, no it is not close to be a great deal for a 35 or 36 OT in my opinion who play is starting to regress.