(12-05-2017, 11:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well professor I asked if that was correct and was presented with a falsehood.

Shazier hit him in the side.  Nowhere near the small of the back.

But with his helmet, as I agreed he is wont to do.

(12-06-2017, 03:58 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Only thing I defended was Iloka's hit on Brown, and that is simply because of the mentality of "you take out our leader, we take out yours." I have no issue with that, except that Iloka failed to do the job and Brown got up.

(12-06-2017, 04:03 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I seem to remember being taught back in pee-wee to see what you are tackling. No idea why it is Shazier can't seem to avoid using the crown of his helmet like a weapon.

(12-06-2017, 04:03 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I'll say it again, he is just like Burfict. They both have talent and could be great players just need to knock off the stupid un-needed stuff and neither seems willing to do it.

(12-06-2017, 04:03 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Burfict gets suspensions and fines. Shazier was given a pass by the league for everything he does but the universe stepped in and said, knock it off.

(12-06-2017, 09:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: See this where I separate from you.  Bad form isn't using his helmet like a weapon.  At least not in my eyes.  Now if he dives on a pile and hits a guy who already down?  That is intent to injure using a weapon.  what happened was a stupid/bad move while making a tackle on a guy who was making a move.


Burfict does stuff AFTER the play.  He does stuff away from the play.  He does stuff that legitimately hurts the team.  There is no comparison.


Again Burfict brought the attention on himself for the stuff he does outside the whistles.  That's different.

(12-06-2017, 09:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: See this where I separate from you.  Bad form isn't using his helmet like a weapon.  At least not in my eyes.  Now if he dives on a pile and hits a guy who already down?  That is intent to injure using a weapon.  what happened was a stupid/bad move while making a tackle on a guy who was making a move.


Burfict does stuff AFTER the play.  He does stuff away from the play.  He does stuff that legitimately hurts the team.  There is no comparison.


Again Burfict brought the attention on himself for the stuff he does outside the whistles.  That's different.

(12-06-2017, 01:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think what we often forget when we look at these sorts of plays is the biology of it all. Yeah, the way the head gets lowered isn't good tackling form. We all know that and we know that leading with the crown can cause injury to both the hitter and the hittee. The issue is that as a player you fight against the natural urge to brace for impact. It's a natural reaction to start to curl up when that impact is coming, so in order to keep that good form, you have to fight that. All of this in a split second. So when you don't focus on it as well and let that movement take over, it starts but is too late. You're halfway there, which is putting you in a much worse position.

This is why we see receivers essentially putting their heads in harm's way. It's why we see tacklers lowering their heads as they go in for the hit. Yeah, this isn't the answer all of the time, but a lot of what we see on the field that leads to senseless injuries is a result of our bodies' natural reactions to impending impact. Fighting nature is hard.

(12-07-2017, 12:00 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Possibly. Sometimes. In the average Steeelers player's case, it's either taught or simply acquired due to the supposed tough nature of the average Steelers player, i.e., the culture over the last 40 years or so. Go watch any highlight video of Ryan Shazier from His OSU days. Dude knew how to tackle properly. Face up, head to the side. I watched 2 or 3 last night and there was only one instance, one, of him lowering his head and striking an opponent with the top of his helmet, and that was a RB coming through the middle of the LOS. 

Fact of the matter is, your diagnosis aside, it's a culture with Steelers players and their organization.

(12-07-2017, 11:46 AM)Synric Wrote: Shazier dropped his head to use the crown of the helmet as a weapon. It was a dirty and lead to a devestating injury. I hope he fully recovers and sees the field again one day.

Burfict was known to do the same in the recent past but has cleaned up the last couple of years because of his concussions and the league spotlight.

As for the future I'm not looking foward to the next steelers bengals game for one reason Mike Mitchell. While he is an excellent safety I believe he will try something stupid to get "revenge" and likely end up injuring himself, a teammate, or his opponent.

(12-07-2017, 12:11 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Did you know that Mitchell defended Iloka? Maybe he's not the prick you think he is?


http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/26322/steelers-mike-mitchell-defends-george-iloka-and-juju-smith-schuster-blasts-nfl-discipline

(12-07-2017, 12:11 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Did you know that Mitchell defended Iloka? Maybe he's not the prick you think he is?


http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/26322/steelers-mike-mitchell-defends-george-iloka-and-juju-smith-schuster-blasts-nfl-discipline

(12-07-2017, 12:23 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: He is.  He’s defending iloka because those are the type of hits he routinely delivers.  He’s just trying to prevent his own suspension for when he plays us next year.


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(12-07-2017, 12:23 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: He is.  He’s defending iloka because those are the type of hits he routinely delivers.  He’s just trying to prevent his own suspension for when he plays us next year.


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(12-05-2017, 11:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: Shazier hit him in the side.  Nowhere near the small of the back.

(12-07-2017, 07:57 PM)BengalYankee Wrote:

(12-06-2017, 04:03 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I seem to remember being taught back in pee-wee to see what you are tackling. No idea why it is Shazier can't seem to avoid using the crown of his helmet like a weapon. I'll say it again, he is just like Burfict. They both have talent and could be great players just need to knock off the stupid un-needed stuff and neither seems willing to do it.

Burfict gets suspensions and fines. Shazier was given a pass by the league for everything he does but the universe stepped in and said, knock it off.

(12-07-2017, 08:49 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Brown is the one citing karma, I guess AB thinks this is karma too for his illegal hit on Gio in playoffs.

(12-07-2017, 07:25 PM)Beaker Wrote: Is the numeral zero on the front or the back of his jersey? (Answer: the back.)
Is his helmet contacting the top or the bottom of the zero? (Answer: the bottom.)

The helmet is hitting the bottom of the zero on the back of his jersey. Therefore, shazier hit him in the lower back. 

Now that that is settled, if Malone had been turned a little more to his left, shazier's hit could have been directly on Malone's spine, paralyzing him instead. So the fact that shazier ended up on the ground with a spinal injury rather than Malone due to an illegal hit that shazier intended to deliver makes me not feel sorry for shazier at all.