(01-25-2018, 06:36 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: There is some good here.

Waiting till 2020 is a good idea. Let's them get their ducks in a row and live up to the "what fans want". I heard that they're shooting for 2 hours as a run time for the games. I'd go with a running clock outside of the last 2 minutes of each half in fact.

That said, it's still probably destined for failure. 8 teams of 40 people are just too many. He can harp all he wants about improving the quality of play, but there simply aren't going to really be 320 quality players to be had during an NFL offseason. There will be a lot of college football never-will-bes and NFL veteran barely-weres. Few fringe NFL players in their right minds would pass up a shot at a future in the NFL to participate in the XFL. No college athlete with even the faintest prospect of being drafted is going to risk it either. I would have started with a 4 team 8 week season, and if possible built from there.

And while simplifying the catch rule would be cool, there's not really many other ways to "re-imagine" football. It's clear that the days of flying clotheslines and spearing is over. If the XFL wants any credibility, the player safety issues currently in the NFL will have to stay in place. You can't do away with those and still say you're worried about quality of play.

So everyone can get real excited to watch Johnny Manziel hand it off to Trent Richardson, but this sounds like it's going to be a repeat of XFL 1.0. If the streaming comes to fruition I'm sure that it is something that the NFL will be looking at closely, if they haven't already fully implemented it by 2020.

(01-25-2018, 06:36 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: There is some good here.

Waiting till 2020 is a good idea. Let's them get their ducks in a row and live up to the "what fans want". I heard that they're shooting for 2 hours as a run time for the games. I'd go with a running clock outside of the last 2 minutes of each half in fact.

That said, it's still probably destined for failure. 8 teams of 40 people are just too many. He can harp all he wants about improving the quality of play, but there simply aren't going to really be 320 quality players to be had during an NFL offseason. There will be a lot of college football never-will-bes and NFL veteran barely-weres. Few fringe NFL players in their right minds would pass up a shot at a future in the NFL to participate in the XFL. No college athlete with even the faintest prospect of being drafted is going to risk it either. I would have started with a 4 team 8 week season, and if possible built from there.

And while simplifying the catch rule would be cool, there's not really many other ways to "re-imagine" football. It's clear that the days of flying clotheslines and spearing is over. If the XFL wants any credibility, the player safety issues currently in the NFL will have to stay in place. You can't do away with those and still say you're worried about quality of play.

So everyone can get real excited to watch Johnny Manziel hand it off to Trent Richardson, but this sounds like it's going to be a repeat of XFL 1.0. If the streaming comes to fruition I'm sure that it is something that the NFL will be looking at closely, if they haven't already fully implemented it by 2020.

(01-25-2018, 07:01 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: At first I'm sure they wont have any top talent.. But some players might take a shot at playing starter over being a backup.   It will all kinda depend on the wages I guess... A Backup QB in the NFL on base salary can still be making close to 500k to a mil a year...   (which is ridiculous)    So if players what an opportunity to  showcase themselves over getting paid they might jump.

They could also by pass some of what the NFL does and not need 3 years out of highschool.     I'm not sure how he will run the league. He said he wants it to be family friendly.  and the WWE itself has gone that way after the Dengeration X era... (attitude era)  which probly ended shortly after XFL..  (in the WWE that have zero tolerance for some of the things the NFL players do... NFL is still inconsistent on that)  SO that might also limit the pool of players.

But there are a ton of players that just never get a shot in the NFL... and with the Arena league folding youll have those players also looking for homes in the football world.

It probly will fail.. If he builds it well enough it could find some loyal viewers or be like a minor league for them.. (probly ends with NFL buying them out)

It doesn't look like its gonna try and compete with the NFL for ratings     starting when the NFL ends.

While the talent might not be up to par it doesn't stop college games from getting a ton of viewers the NFL games   If the game was clean fast and called consistently they already have a better product that nfl

(01-25-2018, 07:54 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: I think the there isn't enough talent is just a bullshit reason why it won't work. For 1 if that were the case Why is college football so successful? 2.) There are good players outside the NFL like the  CFL and Indoor leagues that would love to play in the XFL. 

I think the XFL will work if it tries to be its own thing and they accept that it can't beat the NFL.  The one problem I see is that playing it January through April
 If it we're me start it in April end it in late July early August.

(01-25-2018, 07:01 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: ... A Backup QB in the NFL on base salary can still be making close to 500k to a mil a year...   (which is ridiculous)      

(12-31-2017, 05:36 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: I'd rather glance more at the Lingerie League...

(01-25-2018, 08:58 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Funny, I could have sworn I saw 2 backup QBs playing in the nfc championship game. Maybe Foles and Keenum would rather be on the Memphis Maniax.

(01-26-2018, 11:00 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: Yeah it can happen sometimes... But rarely is a team good enough to go all the way with backups...   Hence Bradys 6th superbowl ring in just 9 days.

(01-26-2018, 01:49 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: I'm looking forward to this. I'm glad Vince is actually giving this time to develop. Last time teams first met up 3 weeks before the first game. That's why the game was so sloppy. I think proper development with the backing of his new company will be beneficial. I could see this reducing the number of college players heading to the CFL. 

(01-26-2018, 11:26 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I guess I'm just wondering what you think a backup QB in the NFL should make, is all.

(01-26-2018, 12:54 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: For me all the NFL players receive to much money....    And still complain. and sue for damages to their bodies when they got paid well for it.   

(01-26-2018, 06:51 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Forcing people to stand and not giving people second chances seems un American. Its his choice but to say there will be no politics and then make those points seems to go against the no politics zone. I Still think it can work but man I am not sure Vince is capable of understanding that he will never beat the NFL.

(01-26-2018, 06:51 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: I am not sure Vince is capable of understanding that he will never beat the NFL.

(01-27-2018, 09:16 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Never say never. Fans have all the power here. If he puts a good product on the field, it will grow while the NFL is starting to die among some people. Face it. If you love watching professional football, your probably going to watch a game or two of XFL. The more the NFL ticks you off, your likely to watch even more, right?

(01-09-2018, 02:49 PM)Nately120 Wrote: If the XFL can secure actual NFL talent then it might have a chance. Right now I'm just picturing Dontay Moch chasing down Zach Mettenberger as he looks to complete a pass to Victor Cruz.

Other professional football leagues have existed, but they came to be when NFL salaries were stagnant and players could be lured to other organizations with higher paychecks. If the NFL is going to give Kirk Cousins $30+ million every year I can't see the XFL actually getting top-level talent. Add in the fact that fans are probably going to want to see players get injured and concussed on every play and only former players on the dole are going to show up to play. I mean, honestly...who is the best NFL player you can picture leaving the NFL in order to play in the XFL?

I will say that Vince McMahon will do this in order to dupe a bunch of investors into covering the costs and it won't even matter if the league sinks because other people will be holding the bag.