(12-26-2018, 12:30 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: I've stated this earlier in other threads.

I'm not shouting on the rooftops for a Gruden hire but he's at least got balls.

Not this same passive stuff we keep hearing year after year from Merv.

Gruden would be definitely be a culture change around these parts.

But would he win here?  Can anyone, would be the real question, since it all points back to Mike Brown.

I even think Gruden HC + Hue at OC wouldn't be terrible but people like to squeal(like that Freddy ?)about how terrible it would be.

I think getting Marv away from the whole organization is the only thing that would change this passive shit culture he's implemented.

NO FRONT OFFICE FOR MARVIN !!!!!!!!!!

(12-26-2018, 02:28 AM)phil413 Wrote: Yeah I can't fault Marvin for keeping a high paying job, our issue is the 3 decade lack of accountability by the FO.  Who knows who has what say between Mikey, Katie, Duke and Marvin, but Marvin is the face of the team on the field.  We can be irate at him smugly chuckling at reporters after a seemingly scheduled prime time loss, but the real issue is that players can't be expected to respect, let alone rise up and achieve.  

I'm all for a change, and this type of move by Gruden would be welcomed.  I'd love a pro bowler with the top 10 pick, but I'd rather have a coach with the authority to cut said pick if need be, or that could actually be fired for not "doing his job".  The fact that I didn't watch the game, and had to read about a stare down of our Marvin 2.0 and decision being Marvin's to make shows how apathetic I am at the team.  If we keep them we should have bring back the 90s themes at all home games with giveaways like furbys and pogs, and we should switch to flannel jerseys.

(12-26-2018, 12:11 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: No coach has won a Super Bowl, until they did.  One trait in common with most Super Bowl winning coaches is accountability.   The ability to hold players responsible for their actions on the field, or off the field.  We've complained for years about a lack of general accountability on this team from the coaching staff.  

Jay Gruden is a man that holds his players accountable to the lines that he establishes.  Prior to losing both of his QBs to season ending injury, the Redskins were in control of their division, and trending upward.  He may or may not have had the parts to make a deep run, I really don't care.  But, what I do like about him is he has a master plan, he draws lines, he holds people accountable to what he has established.  He is the polar opposite of Marv, the players coach.  Jay Gruden is a Coaches coach.

After 16 years of mediocrity with a players coach, it's time we went the opposite direction, and went with a disciplinarian.

(12-25-2018, 11:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Then go after Jay Gruden.  After he previously spoke with Swearinger this season about being critical of coaching, he did it again.  This time, it cost Swearinger his job.  If that ain't drawing a line, and holding players to it, I don't know what is.

https://wtkr.com/2018/12/24/skins-scoop-jay-gruden-responds-to-d-j-swearingers-criticism-of-defensive-coordinator-greg-manusky/

(12-26-2018, 12:12 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I want another Head Coach thread

(12-26-2018, 11:51 AM)MentalRage Wrote: Honestly I'm not impressed by the move. They release one of their best play makers because he is upset with the defensive play calling? He lead their team in interceptions. If someone like Jessie Bates said something like that about OUR coaching staff not one person could blame him.

(12-26-2018, 01:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So you don't want players to be held accountable?  Swearinger was released not just for making critical comments about the coaching to the media, but for doing it repeatedly, after his HC had clearly established that it was unacceptable.  

Let's not forget that players are team employees, they must follow the policy established by their superiors, in this case it was his HC.  I don't know about this particular case, but many NFL contracts include language that establishes limitations on players being critical of their employers to the media.

(12-26-2018, 01:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So you don't want players to be held accountable?  Swearinger was released not just for making critical comments about the coaching to the media, but for doing it repeatedly, after his HC had clearly established that it was unacceptable.  

Let's not forget that players are team employees, they must follow the policy established by their superiors, in this case it was his HC.  I don't know about this particular case, but many NFL contracts include language that establishes limitations on players being critical of their employers to the media.

(12-26-2018, 02:03 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: It's not like Gruden dropped the hammer when Swearinger first started calling people out. This had been going on for 2 years:

'The Redskins cut D.J. Swearinger because for two years he established a clear pattern of criticizing coaches, teammates and the entire organization after losses.'

'Sources inside Redskins Park made clear that the team sat down with Swearinger multiple times to explain that the safety should not go to the media any more with criticisms about the team.' 

'Previous conversations had mentioned possible discipline for Swearinger, but this time, the staff inside the Ashburn headquarters felt they had no choice. The safety had already caused significant friction around the building, and with the intensified comments aimed directly at Mansuky, the staff felt they had no option but to release the Pro Bowl alternate.'

IMO, it's not like Gruden made some bold move here that sent a statement. It seems more like Swearinger forced their hand (finally) and left them no other alternative after 2 years of this behavior.

(12-26-2018, 12:30 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: I've stated this earlier in other threads.

I'm not shouting on the rooftops for a Gruden hire but he's at least got balls.

Not this same passive stuff we keep hearing year after year from Merv.

Gruden would be definitely be a culture change around these parts.

But would he win here?  Can anyone, would be the real question, since it all points back to Mike Brown.

I even think Gruden HC + Hue at OC wouldn't be terrible but people like to squeal(like that Freddy ?)about how terrible it would be.

I think getting Marv away from the whole organization is the only thing that would change this passive shit culture he's implemented.

NO FRONT OFFICE FOR MARVIN !!!!!!!!!!

(12-26-2018, 12:34 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That is the type of immediate accountable action that many have been clamoring for out of Marvin, for as long as he's ever been around here.  Do you think that Gruden would have tolerated Adam Jones many run ins with the law?  How about Vontaze' many run ins with the league office?  Do you think that a coach like Gruden would allow a #9 pick like Ross to cut off routes, and allow passes to bounce off his chest?  Me neither. 

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The truth shall set you free.
And [url=https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-cuts-d-j-swearinger-repeated-criticism-coaching-staff-181439903.html]in the case of D.J. Swearinger, it can send you packing on Christmas Eve.
In another dramatic twist in an already stunning Washington Redskins season, the veteran safety announced on D.C. radio Monday that he had been released by the team. Swearinger’s abrupt dismissal came only two days after he publicly ripped defensive coordinator Greg Manusky following the team’s 25-16 loss to the Blaine Gabbert-led Tennessee Titans.
This was the last straw for Washington.
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This was the line head coach Jay Gruden felt compelled to draw in the sand.
Imagine that …
The Redskins, a franchise so determined to give Reuben Foster a second chance that they ignored his repeated run-ins with law enforcement — including domestic violence charges — and claimed him off waivers two days after San Francisco, determined Swearinger was a lost cause. Washington’s front office also wanted everyone to know that the Foster allegations were “small potatoes [compared to] a lot of things out there.”
… The Redskins, a franchise that accepted the apology of linebacker and team captain Mason Foster, who wrote “F- – – this team and this fan base” in a private Instagram message that was later leaked to the public. The message, which Foster accepted responsibility for, was followed by six laughing emojis.
… The Redskins, a franchise that currently employs safety Montae Nicholson, who was arrested in Virginia last week for misdemeanor assault and public intoxication. (Nicholson, who is on the non-football injury list, also was reportedly arrested for driving under the influence in Pennsylvania in 2017.)
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And now, these same Redskins made it clear that Swearinger’s sin could no longer go ignored.
“We should have blew them out,” Swearinger said Saturday of the Titans, before teeing off on Manusky. “If I’m the D-coordinator I’m calling a zone every time on third down because you’ve got a backup quarterback. Make him beat us. Make him, ‘OK, a zone, go here.’ We’re going to pick you off. Man, three by one, you’re going back side every time. A kindergarten quarterback know that.”
Those comments were the final straw for a franchise that had long grown tired of the safety’s criticisms — no matter how accurate Swearinger’s truth-telling may have been.
It’s true that Swearinger’s inability to control his emotions is just one of the reasons he’s on his fourth team since being drafted in the second round by Houston in 2013.
It’s also true that Gruden has had multiple chats with the 27-year-old about his criticisms in the media, comments that often put the coaching staff in an awkward position.
However, a former Redskin defended Swearinger, saying Washington’s practices “were a joke” and “too laid back.” He then added: “That’s the reason for so many injuries. … Nobody practices hard.”
Asked about the safety’s comments regarding Gruden’s “laidback” approach in practices, one current Redskins player acknowledged in a text message that “a lot of things could have been different, but it’s always going to be, players play and coaches coach. And when you challenge that enough then parties have to go their separate ways.”
Several current Redskins took to social media to publicly voice their confusion and frustration over Swearinger’s release.

(12-26-2018, 12:11 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: No coach has won a Super Bowl, until they did.  One trait in common with most Super Bowl winning coaches is accountability.   The ability to hold players responsible for their actions on the field, or off the field.  We've complained for years about a lack of general accountability on this team from the coaching staff.  

Jay Gruden is a man that holds his players accountable to the lines that he establishes.  Prior to losing both of his QBs to season ending injury, the Redskins were in control of their division, and trending upward.  He may or may not have had the parts to make a deep run, I really don't care.  But, what I do like about him is he has a master plan, he draws lines, he holds people accountable to what he has established.  He is the polar opposite of Marv, the players coach.  Jay Gruden is a Coaches coach.

After 16 years of mediocrity with a players coach, it's time we went the opposite direction, and went with a disciplinarian.

(12-26-2018, 06:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is an epic example of how fans only see the positives in other teams and only the negatives with the Bengals.

Gruden signs Reuben Foster, but he would never have put up with Burfict or Adam Jones.

Any player who even hints at criticizing the coaches here is held up as a hero/saint, but on another team he is a cancer that nees to be cut.

And the most incredible comment was when someone criticized marvin for not hold Ross accountable for drops.  Last year when Marvin held him accountable for not knowing the playbook, and not running the right routes, and not securing the ball, and quitting on routes he was CRUCIFIED for picking on poor little John and banishing him to the dog house.