(02-05-2020, 09:00 AM)Au165 Wrote: I meant going up from 33 specifically. There is often a belief among fans who hold 33 that their team will jump back in because it's only a single spot, but realistically it is kind of a rarity. There have been a decent amount of teams in general who do it though.

(02-06-2020, 12:15 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Gotcha.

Yea, I think it comes down to how valuable is that 5th year option for the team. While it's cheaper than a Top 10 contract that a FA would get on the open market, it's still a hefty chunk of change.

(02-03-2020, 11:21 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: I think the bengals are going to draft some guys they saw at the senior bowl earlier than we may like.

And theres a chance they dont get an OT until round 3 or 4 if they really like throckmorton, or even sooner than that if OTs fly off the board early. Like, if we do go Saftey on 4, it might be kyle dugger, or they take Gaither early if they think his athletic ability will make a huge impact.

I think they take real value at the top of 2, then they start to deviate from most other boards and probably make a lot of board members mad.

(02-06-2020, 11:41 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Austin Jackson just reminds me too much of Cedric Ogbuehi.

Any OT but him please.

(02-06-2020, 07:01 PM)samhain Wrote: I'd prefer Dye to Phillips as I said in the OP.  Dye is a player I'm starting to really hope we get.  He's be the type of linebacker we've needed for a while.  I'd take him in 3 if he were there.  If we were dealing in fantasy-land ideas, I'd rather see them add to the LB spot in free agency with a B plus grade player.

I have a feeling that we're going defense in 2 and maybe even 3.  I also have a feeling that to the team, pass rusher and corner are bigger wants that linebacker.

(02-07-2020, 01:05 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I watched Jackson in some games.  There is really no comparison between Ced and Jackson.  Jackson just needs some more strength, and probably should have stayed at USC for another year.  Jackson is a RT similar to big Willie in his style.  I like him a lot.  

(02-07-2020, 02:19 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Honestly, I don't know that either of them will be of much of a contributor for a year or two.  According to the scouting reports on each of them on TDN, the knock on each of them is Football IQ, and each of their strength is athleticism, and both need to add some mass and strength.  So, same strengths and weaknesses, but they have Dye rated about 70 picks higher than Phillips.

(02-08-2020, 05:25 PM)samhain Wrote: It may be moot, really.  I was listening to Austin Gayle from PFF (based in Cincinnati, if you didn't know!) last week on the local afternoon drive show.  He was saying that off-the-ball linebackers have very little value to most teams anymore when compared to DBs and D Linemen.  

As someone who's watched the Bengals for the last few seasons, I'd beg to differ on their value.  We need better than the guys we've got.  Still, it wouldn't shock me at all to see this major perceived need overlooked in favor of other defensive positions early in the draft.  

It's always hard to tell about where a guy gets taken.  Mack Wilson last year proved that.  For all we know, one of them could be sitting there in the 5th.

(02-08-2020, 05:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I can see why he would say that.  Teams want LBs that can do it all;  Stuff the run, cover the pass, execute a blitz.  If a LB only seems to have value as a coverage guy or defending the flats, but gets easily caught up in blocks or trucked in the running game, they might as well run Nickle or go with a 3 Safety alignment.