(03-27-2020, 07:49 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Eh, not sure I agree with the Dalton is awesome if clean narrative.  Dude has thrown his fair share of balls in the dirt.

(03-27-2020, 07:03 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: I agree that Dalton has never been able to carry a team on his own. He's no Russell Wilson.

I've defended Dalton in the past, but it's really hard to after the past few years. I still maintain that he's a good QB when he has a good team around him. He's accurate. He's somewhat mobile. He has good vision. He's proven he can win more than lose.

But... he has not and never will be an elite QB because of the reasons outlined in this thread. His pocket awareness is not good--I would argue it's average. He gets rattled when things break down. He doesn't have elite vision. He doesn't have elite arm strength--which has shown on his Hail Mary throws.

I think his accuracy has been pretty good on short, medium and deep routes though. His deep ball has gotten better over time. That said, he's been inconsistent and thrown costly interceptions.

There's always been a yeah, but with Dalton.

Burrow clearly has elite traits and will elevate this team. I'm excited to have him.

But I'm grateful for what Andy has done as well. He did very well as a 2nd round pick. I feel bad for the guy, but that's life.

Dalton can't be having a good year. He get's benched at the end of last year on his birthday (start of the year in my book). Over time he realizes his team will be drafting his replacement with the number 1 pick. The free agency market proves that he has very little trade value, meaning he will likely have to take a pay cut. He now has to come to terms with quite possibly not having a starting gig next year. To top it off, he just started a restaurant and it can't be doing too well with this Carona-virus. Ouch. Not a good year so far. Wish him well. He's a good guy.

(03-27-2020, 08:02 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: Watched qb school for a bit. He has great content and I recommend subscribing. Brett Kollman is my favorite content creator and his breakdowns are really informative. Burrow is disgusting and I liked how Brett described how he sees the field. And he is really fun to listen to.

(03-27-2020, 07:49 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Eh, not sure I agree with the Dalton is awesome if clean narrative.  Dude has thrown his fair share of balls in the dirt.

(03-27-2020, 08:00 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The chicken place thing turned out to be false. Different Andy Dalton.

(03-27-2020, 08:36 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: Sorry for side-tracking this thread and talking about Dalton. I saw the first video already, but hadn't seen the 2nd video. Really enjoyed watching the second video. Burrow has so many elite characteristics. I can't wait to see him next year. I'm not expecting greatness out of the gate. It takes time to adjust to the pro game and develop chemistry with the team. But man, he looks the part. By year two I could see him putting up some huge numbers and racking up the wins. His strengths are Dalton's weaknesses. I don't really see many weaknesses with Burrow. Maybe he should slide more to prevent injury? He's inexperienced in the pros? What else can I think of? Not much.

(03-28-2020, 01:22 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Dalton's "legacy" (if you want to call it that) will be as a middle of the pack starting QB who held down the fort for 9 seasons and had some good moments and some not so good. Not many of his defenders have strayed very far from this at any point over the last near-decade.

There's no reason to trash him now or revise history by saying he was always trash, etc. I for one have never been against upgrading the QB position. Problem is, for much of Dalton's career, we were picking in the late 20's. This is the first opportunity we've had to take a guy that looks like a sure-fire prospect, and I'm 100% on board. Just as I was with signing Peyton Manning when he was a free agent.

A lot of people on here had a tendency to want Dalton replaced when it made zero sense to do so or we weren't in a great position to do so. Those same people often exaggerate how bad Dalton is/was. Those people never thought Dalton was a middling QB and thought he was a CFL level QB or wanted to replace him with the likes of McCarron or Tyrod Taylor.

To sum it up, replacing Dalton with a magical "elite QB" always sounded nice, but some people on here acted like you could just pick one from a tree. Reality is that we're extremely fortunate to be in the position we're in right now.

(03-28-2020, 07:49 AM)EatonFan Wrote: Looks like 2021 will be a great year for the Bengals.... After of course the obligatory injury to our 1st rounder Burrow.... (ouch)

(03-27-2020, 07:03 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: I agree that Dalton has never been able to carry a team on his own. He's no Russell Wilson.

I've defended Dalton in the past, but it's really hard to after the past few years. I still maintain that he's a good QB when he has a good team around him. He's accurate. He's somewhat mobile. He has good vision. He's proven he can win more than lose.

But... he has not and never will be an elite QB because of the reasons outlined in this thread. His pocket awareness is not good--I would argue it's average. He gets rattled when things break down. He doesn't have elite vision. He doesn't have elite arm strength--which has shown on his Hail Mary throws.

I think his accuracy has been pretty good on short, medium and deep routes though. His deep ball has gotten better over time. That said, he's been inconsistent and thrown costly interceptions.

There's always been a yeah, but with Dalton.

Burrow clearly has elite traits and will elevate this team. I'm excited to have him.

But I'm grateful for what Andy has done as well. He did very well as a 2nd round pick. I feel bad for the guy, but that's life.

Dalton can't be having a good year. He get's benched at the end of last year on his birthday (start of the year in my book). Over time he realizes his team will be drafting his replacement with the number 1 pick. The free agency market proves that he has very little trade value, meaning he will likely have to take a pay cut. He now has to come to terms with quite possibly not having a starting gig next year. To top it off, he just started a restaurant and it can't be doing too well with this Carona-virus. Ouch. Not a good year so far. Wish him well. He's a good guy.

(03-28-2020, 09:51 AM)spazz70 Wrote: You guys crack me up...And I am not defending Dalton necessarily but you are comparing years of watching Dalton compared to some highlight clips of Burrow, even just a few games maybe...And I am not bashing Burrow here but he has not taken one snap in the NFL, none of you have a clue of how he will react under the lights and on the big stage!!   I am sure that if you go and look at Dalton's tape from his senior year you will see the same attributes from him, as a matter of fact if you go watch the Rose Bowl when he beat Russell Wilson and Wisconsin you will see these same attributes.  You guys are making Burrow into a GOD before he even gets on an NFL field.  I hope is the next coming but do not be surprised if/when he struggles against the big boys.

(03-28-2020, 09:42 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: When — not if — Joe Burrow struggles at first in the NFL I hope people don’t panic because there’s no reason to do so. Joe will be a good player but one needs to understand the speed of the pro game, a new playbook, new teammates, and a new set of coaches who in this case lack experience.

(03-28-2020, 09:51 AM)spazz70 Wrote: You guys crack me up...And I am not defending Dalton necessarily but you are comparing years of watching Dalton compared to some highlight clips of Burrow, even just a few games maybe...And I am not bashing Burrow here but he has not taken one snap in the NFL, none of you have a clue of how he will react under the lights and on the big stage!!   I am sure that if you go and look at Dalton's tape from his senior year you will see the same attributes from him, as a matter of fact if you go watch the Rose Bowl when he beat Russell Wilson and Wisconsin you will see these same attributes.  You guys are making Burrow into a GOD before he even gets on an NFL field.  I hope is the next coming but do not be surprised if/when he struggles against the big boys.

(03-28-2020, 10:36 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: We’re not making him into anything. He had the best season for a college QB ever. He earned all the hype.

(03-28-2020, 10:36 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: We’re not making him into anything. He had the best season for a college QB ever. He earned all the hype.