(04-06-2020, 03:05 PM)TheSweetness Wrote: Right. Because you can't be really good and respected by DC without being deemed HOF bound. Forgot those 2 were mutually inclusive of each other. His numbers aren't HOF worthy at this point in his career. Especially with all the numbers from WR/TE around him.

(04-06-2020, 03:16 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: How in the world does Tyreek Hill and Darren Sproles make it as PR over Hester?

'10-'19 PR
Hill: 4 TD, 11.9 AVG
Sproles: 5 TD, 9.9 AVG
Hester: 7 TD, 12.1 AVG

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Also Gore seems to have gotten in as a compiler, and Suh continues to be overrated.

(04-06-2020, 03:12 PM)McC Wrote: Let me get this straight.  In a thread about Geno being on the all decade team, we shifted to AJ, which was the first derailment of the thread.  Okay, should AJ be on that team or not--not on topic but close.

Now, when you're challenged, you shift the goalposts and suddenly we're talking about HOF.  Let me know when you actually land on an argument so I can respond properly.

Also, wake me up when you realize that few positions on the football field are more reliant on other people than WR and then we can talk about this in proper context.

But anyway, back to Geno.  You remember him.  He was the topic of this thread.

(04-06-2020, 01:17 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: NFL 2010s all-decade roster at nfl.com:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001108338/article/tom-brady-aaron-donald-headline-nfls-2010s-alldecade-team

Who Dey for Geno!

(04-06-2020, 03:12 PM)McC Wrote: Let me get this straight.  In a thread about Geno being on the all decade team, we shifted to AJ, which was the first derailment of the thread.  Okay, should AJ be on that team or not--not on topic but close.

Now, when you're challenged, you shift the goalposts and suddenly we're talking about HOF.  Let me know when you actually land on an argument so I can respond properly.

Also, wake me up when you realize that few positions on the football field are more reliant on other people than WR and then we can talk about this in proper context.

But anyway, back to Geno.  You remember him.  He was the topic of this thread.

(04-06-2020, 03:35 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’ll take part of the blame for bringing up Whit in the very first reply. I just think he was criminally underrated around the league for a large part of last decade. Joe Thomas obviously deserves to be the #1 OT, but Whit is right there with Joe Staley, imo. Whit only had 4 Pro Bowls to Staley’s 6 (that whole underrated thing), but Whit has 2 All Pro’s to Staley’s 0.

AJ is my favorite current Bengal, but I have no problem with him not being on this list.

(04-06-2020, 03:35 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’ll take part of the blame for bringing up Whit in the very first reply. I just think he was criminally underrated around the league for a large part of last decade. Joe Thomas obviously deserves to be the #1 OT, but Whit is right there with Joe Staley, imo. Whit only had 4 Pro Bowls to Staley’s 6 (that whole underrated thing), but Whit has 2 All Pro’s to Staley’s 0.

AJ is my favorite current Bengal, but I have no problem with him not being on this list.

(04-06-2020, 04:10 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: Congrats to Geno - well deserved

They have a list of top 10 snubs and AJ is second (behind Brees)
Whit is also on the list

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001108320/article/2010s-alldecade-team-snubs-ten-nfl-players-worthy-of-a-spot

(04-06-2020, 04:11 PM)Mobster Wrote: AJ Green is no doubt a HoF caliber player. His HoF career may have been derailed by injury the last few years. And also by having a mediocre QB who consistently left monster plays on the field by his inability to throw a deep ball in bounds.

And don't cite stats to me. We're not talking about a fantasy football HoF.

(04-06-2020, 03:21 PM)McC Wrote: Hester is probably not on it due to recentness bias, having not played in several years.  He's one of the great returners ever.

And Suh is the opposite.  To this day, he is still living off the glory of his first few years and not off the reality of his slide to average.

(04-06-2020, 04:43 PM)TheSweetness Wrote: Lots of people are HOF caliber but are derailed by injuries or other things. Can't use stats, playoff wins, SB wins, or anything to go against your thought process though. Which is exactly my point on most Bengals fans and their thoughts on AJ to this point in his career. Blinded my Fandom. 

(04-06-2020, 04:49 PM)McC Wrote: You are jumbling together two different things.  You quote someone saying he is a HOF caliber TALENT and then argue he hasn't had a HOF caliber CAREER.  You're arguing apples to oranges.



It's not being blinded by fandom at all.  It is comprehending what he is by having seen him for the last nine years and not being blinded by the need to crap on Bengals.

(04-06-2020, 04:53 PM)TheSweetness Wrote: How is saying he's a really good player but not HOF worthy at this point a "need to crap on the Bengals"? There's way more statistical proof indicating I'm correct on this point than you. 

I like you ignored my last post to you though.

(04-06-2020, 04:58 PM)McC Wrote: You keep arguing production vs. talent and refusing to see that they are two different things. 

You also refuse to see that what a WR does has so much to do with so many other factors.  All you keep saying is numbers.  It's okay.  You don't see the whole picture.  I get it.  

(04-06-2020, 04:43 PM)TheSweetness Wrote: Lots of people are HOF caliber but are derailed by injuries or other things. Can't use stats, playoff wins, SB wins, or anything to go against your thought process though. Which is exactly my point on most Bengals fans and their thoughts on AJ to
this point in his career. Blinded my Fandom. 

You think HOF is based on potential?

(04-06-2020, 05:04 PM)TheSweetness Wrote: Again, lots of people in the NFL have talent. That doesn't mean shit if you don't put it on the field at a HOF level. Bo Jackson had talent, Greg Cook had talent, lots of people had talent but didn'tshow it fully for one reason or another. What the heck is the point if you don't give HOF production?!

Maybe AJ puts up better numbers or done something in the playoffs with a different QB...but he didn't and HOF doesn't care about what you could have done.