(05-22-2020, 07:23 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Yep, I don’t get why the NFL tries to make some new rule change every year. It’s driving more fans away than it is bringing new interest into the game.

(05-22-2020, 07:37 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: I disagree with your OP portion about AJ not fighting for 50/50 balls. AJ made a name for himself in the league doing just that. If we have any 4th and 15s AJ is our best chance and teams will cover him knowing that.

Taylor will have to scheme up some good plays to get a guy open like Ross or Tate, maybe even Higgins. That may be our best shot.

(05-22-2020, 08:23 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: How does this rule effect spontaneous onside kicks? I’m thinking Saints in the super bowl and Parcells before that. Would teams still be allowed to do that?? I hope so. Those were some of the greatest coaching decisions in NFL history.

(05-22-2020, 09:40 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Well, we'll agree to disagree on AJ. Teams will cover him because he's an athletic freak with outstanding body control and is far more talented than any receiver on Cincy's roster. I just never watch him play and think "tough guy".

To be honest, other than the weed, I have no idea why I always forget Tate.  A player with his hands and leaping ability should definitely should be on the field in a 4th and 15. He seems tough, but also more crazy than tough. Diving for balls over the middle of the field? That's got nothing to do with tough. That takes a whole lot of crazy. In a bar fight, that's the guy who's side you take. I liked having guys like that on my team.

(05-22-2020, 08:46 PM)Geno_Can_Dunk Wrote: I completely agree. I guess it's to keep us talking about the NFL all offseason (and look it's working), but it still pisses me off. 

On the topic of the onside kick, kicking after a touchdown just seems fundamental to *foot*ball. I mean that's what we did after every backyard TD growing up. Contriving a way to allow a team in the position to have to onside kick in the first place to make some exciting comeback is just silly. 


On a separate note, my new avatar is a burro, the wild ancestor of the donkey. Because Joe Burrow. I might have used an image of a burrow, a hole dug by a burrowing animal, but it didn't seem like that would make sense to people. 

(05-22-2020, 03:28 PM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: Lets just take away the kicker position all together then. This 4th and 15 proposal is ***** dumb.

(05-22-2020, 08:21 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: How is an onside kick not huge risk vs reward? I think a successful onside kick is one of the most exciting things in the game..

(05-23-2020, 09:28 AM)Jason_NC Wrote: You know they are talking about this to replace the onsides kick, right?  The new kickoff rules make converting an onsides kick a much more difficult proposal.

(05-22-2020, 03:24 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-updates-language-on-4th-and-15-proposal-taking-out-trailing-requirement

Have the Bengals FA additions to the defensive backfield improved or weakened their chances of defending against it? Gone are Joseph and Kirkpatrick and it looks like Shawn Williams will either lose some snaps or play a S/LB hybrid.
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Bengals WRs may be ranked 11th by PFF but they suck as a whole at getting separation. Boyd is great in the short range but doesn't catch a lot of balls 15 yards past the LOS. Ross still has great speed but is very unreliable. Tee Higgins is a big question mark. Some rookie WRs jump right in, some take awhile to get everything up to speed.

AJ is awesome . . . BUT, he doesn't really do a lot when contesting for a 50/50 ball with a DB. Julio Jones is probably the best at that right now with DeAndre Hopkins a close 2nd. Anquan Boldin was the best I ever saw at fighting for the ball. That was a big part of Steve Smith's greatness. AJ doesn't appear to have that tough guy, killer spirit that they do.

Losing Eifert hurts because he's made for 4th and 15 type of situations. Whether CJ or Sample can fill that role remains to be seen but that is a drop off.

Like most good RBs, Mixon and Gio are both very dangerous in the open field. I could see a roll out to one side and a screen set-up on the other. Neither is likely to be involved in a 4th and 15 situation other than a screen or blocking

Burrow is another question mark. A strong arm with a college ball doesn't mean a smooth transition to an NFL ball. There are adjustments to be made. Hopefully they can game plan around his strengths and work from there. I had that hope last year and wasn't impressed. Zac needs to step up.

If the rule is approved, I don't see this Bengals team being that threatening on 4th and 15. Next year, though . . .

Thoughts?

(05-23-2020, 11:16 AM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: I know exactly what this is. Converting an onside kick should be difficult, but giving them a 4th and 15 to convert is a lot easier. It's just a 15 yard completion. 

(05-23-2020, 11:16 AM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: I know exactly what this is. Converting an onside kick should be difficult, but giving them a 4th and 15 to convert is a lot easier. It's just a 15 yard completion. 

(05-23-2020, 11:22 AM)kalibengal Wrote: 2 words : AUDEN TATE

(05-22-2020, 07:37 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: I disagree with your OP portion about AJ not fighting for 50/50 balls. AJ made a name for himself in the league doing just that. If we have any 4th and 15s AJ is our best chance and teams will cover him knowing that.

Taylor will have to scheme up some good plays to get a guy open like Ross or Tate, maybe even Higgins. That may be our best shot.

(05-22-2020, 03:28 PM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: Lets just take away the kicker position all together then. This 4th and 15 proposal is ***** dumb.

(05-23-2020, 11:42 AM)Jason_NC Wrote: That's why teams go for 4th and 15 all the time instead of punting.  

(05-23-2020, 03:52 PM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: Your odds of completing a 4th and 15 pass attempts are greater then successfully attempting an onside. If onsides were easy teams would do them more often. Getting rid of them is dumbing down the game. 

(05-23-2020, 07:12 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: Are there just a bunch of yuppies coming up with these ideas in sports these days? People want to feel important so badly that they will eventually change these sports into something entirely different then what they originally were. How about base runners in baseball ride bicycles and WR’s can be on horseback? Seriously, they want to change something every single year. There’s also the behind the scenes things they change too, the balls change.... when is it ever good enough?