(09-28-2020, 01:36 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: There is a New York Post article on firing Adam Gase and this was a quote from there:

“To the fans that are calling for [Gase’s] his head, I never really understood that,’’ Van Roten said. “I was on a team last year, we fired our coach and it’s not like we started winning games. You go further in the tank. So, I’m not really sure what that solves.”



I looked back at every time a team had an interim coach since 2010. There have been 20 instances in that time where a coach was fired before the end of the season. Interim coaches have gone 39-65 in that time. Only two had winning records. One was Jason Garrett, who replaced Wade Phillips in Dallas in 2010 in midyear. The other is Gregg Williams, who replaced Hue Jackson in 2018 with the Browns. Both went 5-3. No team has made the playoffs who replaced their coach.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/jets-firing-adam-gase-would-only-accomplish-one-thing/


If the season ends with another 2 wins or 3 wins even, you move on but I don't see the benefit in changing things mid season, never have, unless it is to bench a player for another guy.

New coach means new system, and a new way of doing things. It is hard to put that sort of change into effect correctly at the mid way point. Plus, you aren't going to hire a guy who is going to be the long term solution right now. Can't go get a OC or DC from another team right now, so you would be replacing with another guy who is coaching a 0-2-1 team, or a guy sitting at home on his couch who wasn't deemed good enough by any of the 32 teams to start with.

There isn't a real benefit to switching guys right now unless you think someone on this coaching staff is going to be the next Jason Garrett.

(09-28-2020, 02:48 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I'm still up in the air about Taylor.  This team (and last year's) absolutely play hard for him.  I think he's a good leader.

(09-28-2020, 02:52 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Like I said in another thread. I've tried hard to give ZT the benefit of the doubt but I'm very quickly losing hope. 

(09-28-2020, 02:52 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I just don't think he has the ability to turn this around.

(09-28-2020, 02:52 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: At a minimum he needs to hire an OC.

(09-28-2020, 02:48 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I'm still up in the air about Taylor.  This team (and last year's) absolutely play hard for him.  I think he's a good leader.

What has me up in the air is the horrible offensive line.  I still can't figure out if the guy can coach offense or call plays because this line is soooo shitty.

I think we will see the following in the offseason:

1.  They keep Taylor
2.  They fire Turner
3.  They fire Lou and bring in a veteran DC.

They draft an OT, OG and bring in a veteran interior lineman.

I think if they don't make the playoffs, then we get a new staff with a respected name.  Guys are going to be very attracted to this job with Burrow.

(09-28-2020, 02:58 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Out of the 19 games he has coached this may have been his best game coaching. This and Seahawks game Week 1 last year are my top 2.

(09-28-2020, 01:36 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: There is a New York Post article on firing Adam Gase and this was a quote from there:

“To the fans that are calling for [Gase’s] his head, I never really understood that,’’ Van Roten said. “I was on a team last year, we fired our coach and it’s not like we started winning games. You go further in the tank. So, I’m not really sure what that solves.”



I looked back at every time a team had an interim coach since 2010. There have been 20 instances in that time where a coach was fired before the end of the season. Interim coaches have gone 39-65 in that time. Only two had winning records. One was Jason Garrett, who replaced Wade Phillips in Dallas in 2010 in midyear. The other is Gregg Williams, who replaced Hue Jackson in 2018 with the Browns. Both went 5-3. No team has made the playoffs who replaced their coach.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/jets-firing-adam-gase-would-only-accomplish-one-thing/


If the season ends with another 2 wins or 3 wins even, you move on but I don't see the benefit in changing things mid season, never have, unless it is to bench a player for another guy.

New coach means new system, and a new way of doing things. It is hard to put that sort of change into effect correctly at the mid way point. Plus, you aren't going to hire a guy who is going to be the long term solution right now. Can't go get a OC or DC from another team right now, so you would be replacing with another guy who is coaching a 0-2-1 team, or a guy sitting at home on his couch who wasn't deemed good enough by any of the 32 teams to start with.

There isn't a real benefit to switching guys right now unless you think someone on this coaching staff is going to be the next Jason Garrett.

(09-28-2020, 03:08 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: Fire Jim turner. That’s the only guy I want fired.

(09-28-2020, 03:17 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but more power to you.

If, in 19 games, your two best coaching performaces resulted in a loss and a tie, then I think that pretty much says everything you need to know.

Sounds like you're on board with getting this dude the hell outta here.

(09-28-2020, 03:18 PM)sonofstat Wrote: agree...have very limited confidence in ZT right now but don't think we should ditch him in season.


Not sure its in our rookie QB interest to make that change now 

(09-28-2020, 03:20 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Here's the key.  If you look at a lot of the high draft pick QB busts, it's the revolving door at OC/HC.  We can't do that here.

IF we move on (and I think right now it's 50/50) the next guy has to be the last guy with Burrow.

(09-28-2020, 03:25 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: I think Taylor survives to the end of the season no matter what. 

(09-28-2020, 02:37 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: I’m not talking about normal offseason planning, I’m talking about the planning of looking for a new coaching staff. If the team went outside of active NFL coaches, they could even start interviewing and doing background research while everybody else is still concentrating on winning this season.

(09-28-2020, 02:31 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: I know you're trying to be tongue in cheek but that's absolutely true.  Still, it's the way their offensive line coach teaches the Steelers the way to hold which makes the difference.  If the hands get outside the defensive lineman's shoulder pads for more than three seconds the officials will call holding every time.  What the Steelers do is hold inside the pads which is hard to discern from simple body blocking.  Watch Alejandro Villanueva and Ramon Foster because they do it very well but center Maurkice Pouncey might be the sneakiest of all.

(09-28-2020, 02:55 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I think he has the makings to be a good HC. But, it's becoming ever more clear that he is just not a good playcaller. He needs to turn those duties over to Callahan and let him sink or swim and replace him if necessary. 

(09-28-2020, 03:33 PM)PhilHos Wrote: IF we move on, I want an established coach with a proven track record. Have them get us back into contention and THEN roll the dice with a first time HC.