(09-28-2020, 04:45 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I don't think replacing Tobin in the middle of the season will have any impact on this season, but I definitely think there should be (strong) consideration for a replacement this coming offseason.

I don't know how the decision-making goes in terms of draft picks and FAs, but one has to think Tobin and Taylor have the biggest decision-making power. I also think though that Anarumo and Turner have had some say in the players they have acquired/kept.

I think this team suffers from thinking they can turn water into wine, at least at certain positions.
While Marvin was HC, it was the LBs. Rarely going after a LB in the 1st or 2nd round, but not having much success with those mid-to-late round guys.
Now, it's OL with Turner. This belief that the Bengals can groom a quality OL with a 4th round LG in Jordan, 6th round RT in Hart, UDFA RG with Johnson, and reclamation bargain-bin FA in XSF (prior to injury). I didn't include Price in this because he was a 1st rounder prior to the current regime and the team sticks with their 1st rounders through their rookie contracts regardless. But Price has been worse than everyone else who has played this year.

Obviously this is just my opinion, but the Bengals need someone making decisions with more logic, less trust. These coaches have not earned the trust that they can groom late-round picks and/or low-end starters/backups into good starters. As such, they need someone who takes the approach that if a starter is bad, they need to allocate a Day 1 or Day 2 draft pick or proven veteran FA to that position. Trade away the late-round picks to have more Rd 1-4 picks. Spend money on a couple upper-tier guys in FA.

(09-28-2020, 05:21 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: It's not about this season. It's more about next season but mainly about 2022 and 2023 when we have a cost-controlled QB approaching his prime.

This isn't something you can fix overnight. It's unlikely rookies will get it right immediately which means we need to be drafting them in 2021 for the 2022 and 2023 Super Bowl runs. To draft them in 2021 we need to be scouting them now. 

To appoint the right coaching staff we need the person with the right vision in the front office. Is that Tobin?

If not, now is the time to move on. The window to exploit Burrow's rookie contract is closing.

The problems pre-date the current coaching staff, but even where the coaching staff are to blame, then you have to look at who appointed them. 

(09-28-2020, 03:48 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: This team needs a GM. A real one.

Whether you fire this coach, that coach, or Duke Tobin, the problem is the person/people that is going to be doing the hiring is completely ill-equipped and not at all qualified to making hiring decisions.

While I do want a number of these people gone, I have no faith in the Front Office to bring anyone actually worthy of the position.

They need to bring a legitimate GM, who has years of real experience and success to run the whole show from the top down. Then allow this person to build out his entire staff, from the coaches, to the scouts, to the players.

Mike Brown, and Katie and Troy Blackburn, need to be completely removed from any football related decisions. Until that happens, I fear it really doesn't matter what they do with Duke Tobin and his skeleton screw of douche-nozzles they call a scouting department.

(09-30-2020, 07:22 PM)JSR18 Wrote: Wes, I agree with everything you just said.

I can't believe I'm sticking up for the Brown family (there's a first time for everything). Put yourself in their position. You are practically a billionare. You are trying to keep an entire extanded family afloat by owning a NFL team.

Are you really going to hire someone to do everything with this team and and turn your and every other family members back on the Family Business???

I know what we all want, but that's never going to happen...

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