(10-23-2020, 11:17 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Agree makes no sense to resign him. Even though we spent big money on defense looking at are depth next year on D is scary. We basically have Hubbard at DE, Lawson's a free agent and Dunlap should be gone. DT we got Reader coming back from injury , Geno likely gone, an unproven Wren and maybe Tupou. Outside of Wayne we have no corners under contract with Alexander and Jackson being free agents. We still have to sign Bates long term. We have a lot of work to do and that's not even including the O-line. 

(10-23-2020, 11:39 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Not only do the Bengals need to worry about WJ3 and Lawson this offseason, but Hubbard, Bates, and Phillips by next offseason.
While I don't like Phillips on the outside, I think he's a good slot CB.

(10-23-2020, 11:46 PM)lone bengal Wrote: I like Lawson and WJ3 but I feel like both are going to get overpaid big time in free agency. I'm still not sure if WJ3 is a number one corner and if Lawson can be a full time DE. Hopefully we can resign Bates and Hubbard before they hit the market. 

(10-24-2020, 12:00 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Depends on your definition of #1 corner. Technically, a Top 32 CB is worthy of being a #1 CB on a team. WJ3 falls around middle of the pack in terms of #1 CBs right now.

Waynes IMO wasn't worth being paid as the 9th highest CB, but here we are.
WJ3 will command $14 mill from someone, and IMO he's better than Waynes.

Lawson has had 3+ years to show he's deserving of being a full-time DE, but he hasn't quite yet. Depending on how the rest of this year pans out, someone may pay him to be one. It may be a mistake, it may work out.
Personally, I feel he's about an 8-10 sack average guy if he stays healthy all year, which is worth about $12-14 mill a year.
But without the multiple years of back-to-back production, maybe he can be had for $10 mill a year?
I honestly don't know. When I think I may have an idea on market value, I see some guys get way over that and some guys get way under.

(10-23-2020, 11:24 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Boyd plays the game hard and is very talented , I'm glad he's a Bengal. I remember being pissed that Laquan Treadwell and Josh Doctson got picked before the Bengals drafted and they both ended up sucking lol. Besides Michael Thomas I think Boyd was the best WR in that draft class.  Corey Coleman was a bust and Will Fuller is always hurt and has a lot of drops.

(10-23-2020, 11:17 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Agree makes no sense to resign him. Even though we spent big money on defense looking at are depth next year on D is scary. We basically have Hubbard at DE, Lawson's a free agent and Dunlap should be gone. DT we got Reader coming back from injury , Geno likely gone, an unproven Wren and maybe Tupou. Outside of Wayne we have no corners under contract with Alexander and Jackson being free agents. We still have to sign Bates long term. We have a lot of work to do and that's not even including the O-line. 

(10-23-2020, 03:15 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: OBJ has to be one of the most overrated players in recent history.

Go ahead and look at his numbers.  Guy hasn't had an elite season, or anything close to it, in years.

Here's his totals over the last 4 years: (For 2020 I'm using current projections):

2017 - 25 Rec, 302 Yards, 3 TD's
2018 - 77 Res, 1,052 Yards, 6 TD's
2019 - 74 Rec, 1,035 Yards, 4 TD's
2020 - 61 Rec, 851 Yards, 8 TD's

Those numbers aren't that good. At all.  Yet the guy managed to sign an 18 mil dollar a year contract.  He still accounts for 15 mil in cap space, and that's with the Giants eating his 40 million bonus, and keeping in on their books.

And this is leaving out the biggest legitimate gripe.  Not only is he incredibly overrated as a player, he's a terrible teammate.  Awful for a locker room, and all around garbage human being.

Then consider the fact that everywhere he's played, he's played for losers.  Nowhere he's been has even been remotely close to being a legitimate contender.

Say what you will about guys like TO, or Antonio Brown, or Michael Irvin.  Those guys still put up elite level numbers, and they played for decent teams.

This guy?  He's a bum.  He's a cautionary tale about letting one highlight and the media looking to create superstars into fooling everyone into thinking this guy is so damn special.  But he's not.  Not even close.

Sorry for the OT rant.  I really dislike this dude.  And I wanted to rip on him because he all around sucks.