(04-15-2021, 02:53 PM)mas_fuerte Wrote: I like Tim, but this is a pretty obviously exaggerated take. Picking OL at #5 overall isn't the only way to protect Burrow.

(04-15-2021, 04:48 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: The biggest point in Tim's statement was this simple truth:

If they are committed to winning and the future the pick is OL.

If Taylor is trying to save face and keep his options open after the Bengals fire him, the pick is Chase.

All these former players that watch his team and know this team say take Sewell (Munoz, Lapham, Tim McGee, Willie Anderson, Hawkins)

Then the team Chase side is... people who have no connection to the team or no NFL career

Jim Mora Jr - A coach with one winning NFL season, all seasons in the NFC and probably the only player he knows on the roster is Burrow... so of course he is team Chase.

Tony Pike - Who had 1 season in the NFL with Carolina. Cedric Ogbuehi has a longer career... let that sink in. Tony is a great college QB, and has a ton of insight into the Bearcats and is beloved for his season here, but he is a college guy not a pro guy. It's a different game.

Mitchell Schwartz - A guys tweets him and sets him up with if you believe LT is set (it isn't Jonah is an injury concern) then do you take the pass catcher. He replies if you think it is set then you take the pass catcher.. again a guy who doesn't know the Bengals roster. And if you count his opinion, then count Jeff Saturday's opinion and Dominque Foxworth's opinion that both called it "malpractice" to take Chase over Sewell. Saturday by the way is retired and still heavily involved in the NFLPA because of how smart he is and how respected he is by every player in the league...

lastly for team Chase...

Duke ***** Tobin - The second dumbest man in the Bengals front office, since Mike still has a pulse. This ass clown brought you John Ross and Billy Price. He has shown that he isn't good at this job, we've all hated on him and wanted him gone for years. Now half the board must think the guy is a genius because... team Chase.


McGee is 100% right, if they pick Chase, it's Taylor trying to save face and the team trying to sell tickets. Chase will be a good player, but he isn't the right player for this team's current needs.

Is what it is though. The Bengals will pick him, and maybe after the next 5 or 6 win season we'll learn... doubtful... but maybe.

(04-15-2021, 04:25 PM)Yogo Wrote: So.....  Williams and Reiff together rank as a top 10 tackle duo?  I can't find any data that comes even close to consider that.  But yes, up the middle at guard is a bigger problem.  Adding Sewell will help with slotting people into upgrading the middle better.

(04-15-2021, 04:55 PM)jj22 Wrote: People seeing the writing on the wall after they ignored the line last offseason that Burrow won't last the season and those same deniers calling them out on the dramatics (just to melt down when Burrow went down).

Groundhogs day.

Chase however will be a great asset to whoever is qb in 3 more years.

I think Chase is the pick, I think fans are in for a surprise in the 2nd round when they don't go Oline (due to the run on Oline prospects leaving some good dline help which is still a need and not a deep draft for defensive ends and tackles which means 2nd round is the best time to grab one that they have a high grade on.

(04-15-2021, 05:08 PM)J24 Wrote: Williams is ascending player at LT; He will a top 10 LT next season and Rieff has consistently played well during his career. So I have zero problem saying the Bengals will have a top 10 duo at T next season.

(04-15-2021, 04:07 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sewell can play Guard.

(04-15-2021, 04:09 PM)Burma Wrote: There is no way drafting Sewell doesn't solve the G problem this year. Williams, Rieff, Sewell as OT, worst of the 3 plays G, which would still be better than any G on the roster.

Draft another G in 3 or 4 for when Rieff's 1 year rental is up. 

(04-15-2021, 05:19 PM)J24 Wrote: If the Bengals were smart they would trade the pick and stock up on multiple positions. 

(04-15-2021, 05:17 PM)Burma Wrote: Either Williams or Rieff is really going to have to step it up if this is to be a top 10 tackle tandem. In the 10 out of 32 games Williams has played he graded out at 70.1 and over the lsat 5 years Rieff has average 69.98 with a high grade in 2018 of 74.1. Neither would be close to a top 10 graded tackle.

(04-15-2021, 05:08 PM)J24 Wrote: Williams is ascending player at LT; He will a top 10 LT next season and Rieff has consistently played well during his career. So I have zero problem saying the Bengals will have a top 10 duo at T next season.

(04-15-2021, 05:28 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Uh, Jonah Williams has been healthy to play for about half a season in two years.  Reilly Reiff is a solid, dependable Tackle, but he's also been dinged up and is obviously toward the end of his career.  Not to mention he's on low-budget, one year deal that screams "I just don't want to become irrelevant".

This team cut their starting RT to sign a plug in for one year.  They absolutely need to take the Tackle at 5, and address Guard in at least one of the next two rounds.

(04-15-2021, 04:30 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: I think the Bengals should take OL twice in the first three rounds.   They lose Jonah, they screwed, they lose Ratliff, they screwed.  The conservative approach would be to take Sewell, maybe the smart approach, but not what I'd do if Pitts was there.
Based upon dead money the starting line consists of
Hopkins starting at center if healthy
Williams LT
Ratliff RT
Billy Price can't be cut nor traded but only has a dead money hit of $1.6 million.
Filo has dead money of $1 million.
Everybody else on contract could be cut without stacking up a bunch of dead money.
So not only could the Bengals absorb 2 OL's at the top of the draft, they could absorb 3 or 4. from the entire draft.  I doubt they do it, but the payroll say it can be done.  

(04-15-2021, 04:06 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Well, he is talented. I still think Pitts is the guy that could be like no other type of Receiver. Can play TE, WR and you can move 
him around to find any mismatch you like. 6'6" Receiver/TE that can run a 4.44 forty with great hands that can run crisp routes is 
extremely rare. Something I don't think I have seen before besides maybe Calvin Johnson who was only a WR.

(04-15-2021, 05:46 PM)J24 Wrote: 1.) Williams two injuries were unfortunate but I still believe he will be a top 10 to top 5 caliber LT for the majority of his career. 

(04-15-2021, 05:46 PM)J24 Wrote: 1.) Williams two injuries were unfortunate but I still believe he will be a top 10 to top 5 caliber LT for the majority of his career. 

2.) Rieff is a solid player and in all honesty that's all you have to be at RT.

Finally the Bengals can draft any of the three of Chase, Pitts, and Sewell and be really happy with whom they drafted. With that being said if the Bengals miss out on Sewell there will be a good prospect to draft at 38 and same can be said if they miss out on Chase.

(04-15-2021, 05:25 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: Just because someone played in the nfl doesn’t mean they are great talent evaluators. Even if they are it seems like all of these guys are acting like the only pick in the draft the Bengals have is pick 5.

The bengals need O line help. That is clear. The bengals also need WR help. This is also clear. The bengals have two of the first 38 picks and should be able to get a player to help in year one at both spots with those two picks.

I would love to see the Bengals really commit to fixing this line that we’ve been complaining about for years. I’d love Sewell. I love a lot of the round 2 OL as well though.

I’d love Chase. I like but don’t love a few 2nd round WR prospects that may or may not make it to 38. IMO the drop off from Sewell to round 2 OL is noticeably less than Chase vs round 2 WR.

If you look at the player pool I think it’s a much safer bet to plan on getting a starting caliber OL in round 2 than an impact WR. Sewell or Chase? Either is a huge help. It could without a doubt be better for the franchise to pick Chase an a very good OL in 2 than Sewell and whatever WR is left in round 2.

People acting like it’s Sewell or the end of the world are going way overboard. I’ll be sitting back enjoying the Bengals getting a great player regardless of which guy they pick (as long as they don’t do something that would actually be devastating like take a 4th round talent or Kicker at 5 or 38).

And if you guys are so worried about what past players think shouldn’t you also worry about what current players think? Like Joe Burrow perhaps? He’s the only person in the world who knows what it’s like to throw to Chase and also what it’s like to play behind this pathetic OL. I’ve seen rumors he wants Chase. If former players that haven’t played in decades or never followed this team’s opinions matter than I’d have to assume the current QB’s opinion matters at least as much right?

(04-15-2021, 06:06 PM)BobJones4980 Wrote: I've said it before but what your describing sounds alot like Darren Waller, great weapon but I don't see where Pitts is so much better than him that hed be looked at as a never before seen type of TE.

On topic, give me Chase and get interior line help in 2-4.

(04-15-2021, 06:07 PM)Burma Wrote: I think he can be a very good OT, he just has to be available.  At this point in his career he has played 6 games less than John Ross, the Mr. Glass of WRs. Talentwise it's not even close, but, as of now, you can't rely on him for a full season.

(04-15-2021, 01:55 PM)bengals67 Wrote: On Cincy Jungle former Bengals WR Tim McGee says if the Bengals don't pick an o-lineman with their 5th they should draft another QB .

According to Tim, multiple QBs will be needed because Burrow will be in the hospital again because of their pathetic o line.

So obviously true if you have watched their games over the last 2 to 3 years.

Good man Tim.