(01-21-2022, 03:30 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: If Marvin would have won a playoff game, he still would have been 1-6 over his 16 years of coaching. It wouldn't really boost him up that much in my mind.

(01-21-2022, 07:38 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: TJ should have stayed, as well as Marvin Jones should have.

As good as they were, they definitely needed that #1 talent on the field with them.

Boyd is a modern day prototype of them.

He's damn good but should never fool himself at being a viable #1 receiver.



To answer your thread question though I think Chad gets higher recognition and put into the HOF.

However... Dalton has the most to gain out of all.

He's basically the butt of jokes and measure of NFL QB mediocrity.

Dalton getting some playoff runs definitely not only changes how the fans of the team perceive him but all of NFL.

(01-21-2022, 09:02 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: TJ, yes… Marvin, I’m not so sure.  He has had a good career since leaving cincy.  His 2017 season, with Detroit, was on par with prime green. His career stats are almost identical to bengals WR Carl Pickens. Pickens was the more dominant WR, but just to give some context to how well MJ has done.

(01-21-2022, 03:48 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: This is all false, Tony. He never said anything to urge Burrow to not come here and he has given Burrow plenty of credit. 

Palmer Praising Burrow #1

Palmer Praising Burrow #2

Palmer Praising Burrow #3

The story about Palmer trying to urge Burrow to not come here was false but people ran with it. He never said anything of the like. The story comes from an interview where Carson said he believes that Cincinnati wasn't committed to winning a Super Bowl during his tenure - this was twisted into Carson's cautioning Joe Burrow about coming here but he never mentioned anything about Burrow. 

(01-21-2022, 08:53 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: I said Carson. Think you have to look at QB’s and HC as they get the most credit and blame for playoff wins based on the impact they can both have.
I’m not judging Chad, TJ or Geno one bit for no playoff wins so I don’t see that helping them much.

Andy never had Carson’s raw talent or draft expectations. He isn’t hated nearly as much as Carson either. He was a 2nd round pick who played better than that for quite a while. He has his share of haters but I think most can appreciate what he was and did for us. I would hope if he came back for ruler of the jungle or some other honor later people would be very warm to his return.

Marvin lasted 16 years so one playoff win wouldn’t change much. Even a run (whatever that means to different individuals) wouldn’t unless it was a SB win. Plus if he won it in 2005 then went 13 years without another it really wouldn’t change much for him. Little less criticism, a little more appreciation but overall I don’t see it changing too much. Without a Super Bowl or continued playoff success over his LONG career.

One playoff win for Carson and most would have a better opinion of him even if he forced his way out afterwards. Then he would be looked at as a star who put this franchise on his back and carried us to a win. Maybe if he got that he wouldn’t be so butt hurt talking about the Bengals now.

A playoff win affects Carson’s legacy the most.

(01-21-2022, 10:34 PM)Tony Wrote: Screw Plamer... I said what I said... Those are all run of the mill comments... What was he gonna say? He sucks?

(01-22-2022, 12:50 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: I would expect to find him not giving Burrow any credit, exactly like you said he was doing.

(01-21-2022, 03:03 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: The Fans

(01-25-2022, 10:10 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: From the list of choices, I had to go with Marvin Lewis.  Without ever achieving a single playoff victory in seven opportunities, he will be forever known as the coach who brought us out of the dark, but couldn't get over the hump.  All of the players listed will still be remembered as great players and fierce competitors, but Marvin Lewis' legacy suffered the most by not being able to achieve that one singular goal.

(01-25-2022, 10:30 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Has to be Marvin. 0-7 is a brutal legacy and I don't think anyone will ever come close again. There's 29 HC with at least 7 losses in the postseason. There's only 6 coaches among them with less than 7 wins to go with those 7 losses, and only Marvin has less than 2 wins at 0.

The worst HC in 2021 was Matt Nagy at 0-2 and he got fired. Now there's only Rich Bisaccia, Nick Sirianni, and Kliff Kingsbury left at 0-1, and I don't think it's guaranteed Bisaccia and Kingsbury will be back either.

He earned it, but that's just a rough way to always be remembered.