(02-15-2022, 05:01 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: I’d like to keep Bates, but not until we spend money, real money, on Tier 1 O Line FA. If there’s money after that, then Bates is the next one to get a deal.

But we need 3 O Line. We need another edge rusher, and a CB. That’s bare minimum. I also wouldn’t be upset with a mid-late round RB, and another WR (pick 4-7).

(02-15-2022, 05:01 PM)J24 Wrote: Well Bell has drastically improved while he has been here(particularly in coverage). If he was on the Open Market this year he is getting over 10 Million Per Year.

(02-15-2022, 05:01 PM)J24 Wrote: Well Bell has drastically improved while he has been here(particularly in coverage). If he was on the Open Market this year he is getting over 10 Million Per Year.

(02-15-2022, 05:33 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Tough choice on Bates.

I lean towards signing him, but CBS is predicting something similar to Budda Baker's contract (4 years, $59 million). They have the same agent. So keep that in mind.

He's been inconsistent from year to year, or at times from one stretch of games to another. Varying between an average safety and a top 3 safety.

Normally, I'd say tag him for $13 million and make him prove it again, but he said the lack of a contract affected his play last season. So would he play at a high level on the tag? Questionable.

If you invest big money in him, which Bates are you getting?

(02-15-2022, 05:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: He just may.
And Bates would have probably had a crazy market if he was hitting FA last year.
He was truly elite all season.
This past year though, he definitely had declined for some stretches, which could end up affecting what he gets.

(02-15-2022, 06:01 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: If we could tag him and trade him for a 1st, that would be cool. Then use the cap space on line. Draft a safety.

That said, this doesn't seem to happen much.

(02-15-2022, 07:09 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Agreed. As it stands, I guess I'd sign him. Who else do we need to sign anytime soon? May as well lock him up. I'd structure the contract so that he could be cut in 2 years, though.

Just as a safeguard in case average Bates shows up more than elite Bates.

(02-15-2022, 06:01 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: If we could tag him and trade him for a 1st, that would be cool. Then use the cap space on line. Draft a safety.

That said, this doesn't seem to happen much.

(02-15-2022, 07:19 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I saw some mocks that have us drafting his replacement, but idk. I'm keen on drafting a pass rusher at 31 or a TE that can run or a Center.

(02-15-2022, 08:20 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: You know me, I want that #31 pick to fill a need somewhere on the o-line. Attack it via FA and the draft.

Not that I don't want a TE, but hopefully we could find one later on. Same with edge depth.

(02-15-2022, 07:19 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I saw some mocks that have us drafting his replacement, but idk. I'm keen on drafting a pass rusher at 31 or a TE that can run or a Center.

(02-15-2022, 07:46 PM)J24 Wrote: After the Playoff run he had you might  get two first RD picks for him similar to Jamal Adams.

I find it funny though that people are ok with him leaving after the post season the defense had. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Defenses play went up a couple of notches when Bates play went up. Dude is a modern day Earl Thomas.

(02-15-2022, 09:39 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Easy killer, Jessie has one 2nd Team All Pro award, ET was an all decade guy.  Bates may get there but he had a very average season, excellent playoffs though.

(02-15-2022, 07:46 PM)J24 Wrote: After the Playoff run he had you might  get two first RD picks for him similar to Jamal Adams.

I find it funny though that people are ok with him leaving after the post season the defense had. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Defenses play went up a couple of notches when Bates play went up. Dude is a modern day Earl Thomas.

(02-15-2022, 09:39 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Easy killer, Jessie has one 2nd Team All Pro award, ET was an all decade guy.  Bates may get there but he had a very average season, excellent playoffs though.

(02-15-2022, 09:44 PM)J24 Wrote: How many guys have 2nd Team all pros on this team? His playoff performance helped propel a Defense to excellence in the playoffs. Dude is 100% legit.

(02-15-2022, 09:54 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: At times he's Earl Thomas. For large chunks of the season he's average at best. I think people are scared to overpay and get the average Bates.

But yes...when he's on...he's the best ballhawk in the game and I'd love to keep him.

He does miss tackles too sometimes and did miss one on Kupp.

But, we need offensive lineman more. Maybe we waive Wayne's and give Bates that money.

(02-15-2022, 10:05 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Its not that I dislike him, it is his position and the $$$.

FS is not as low a priority on defense as slot as in our offense, but Im not sure how high it truly it is.

Tier 1 priorities to me on defense (whatever order):
DE
DT
NG
CB

Tier 2 priorities to me on defense (whatever order):
MLB, OLB, NCB, SS, FS 


My point is dont overspend on lower priority positions. If you value FS super high then that validates your point.