(02-26-2022, 04:57 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: If it resulted in a super bowl… Does it matter?

(02-26-2022, 06:29 PM)Au165 Wrote: Here is the issue people don’t ever acknowledge, Cincinnati is relatively cash poor in relation to other teams. The reason Cincy doesn’t restructure is the same reason they don’t tend to spend big in FA, it requires large amounts of cash. People act like the NFL being a cap league creates a level playing field but cap can be bought if you have enough cash, in fact the cap realistically doesn’t exist if your willing to spend enough cash constantly.

Cash is not cap, cap is just an accounting method. People assume all teams have hordes of cash sitting around and the reality is some do and some don’t. We don’t so while there are ways to circumvent the cap it’s better for people to assume in our case the cap is in fact the cap.

(02-26-2022, 06:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am not the kind of person who criticizes decisions based on hindsight.

(02-26-2022, 10:25 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: I’d imagine the bengals made more money this year than in the last 30? Spend money to make money

(02-26-2022, 10:26 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: So you are the kind of person that would rather do the way we have for 30 years and hope for better results? Literally every SB winning team is cap creative.

(02-26-2022, 06:29 PM)Au165 Wrote: Here is the issue people don’t ever acknowledge, Cincinnati is relatively cash poor in relation to other teams. The reason Cincy doesn’t restructure is the same reason they don’t tend to spend big in FA, it requires large amounts of cash. People act like the NFL being a cap league creates a level playing field but cap can be bought if you have enough cash, in fact the cap realistically doesn’t exist if your willing to spend enough cash constantly.

Cash is not cap, cap is just an accounting method. People assume all teams have hordes of cash sitting around and the reality is some do and some don’t. We don’t so while there are ways to circumvent the cap it’s better for people to assume in our case the cap is in fact the cap.

(02-27-2022, 12:27 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Last off season the Stealers had to cut players for cap reasons and it hurt them this year.

The best teams don't swing wildly from year to year from going "all in" and then folding.  You can move cap space down the road, but you can't make it disappear.

The best teams develop draft picks to step in and start when a vet demands too much money.  No team can be good for any extended period of time on free agents.  The math does not work.  You have to get a decent amount of production from some players on their first contracts.

 

(02-27-2022, 01:35 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Bengals are now worth billions and 100% controlled by the Brown family. They could borrow hundreds of millions if needed based on the equity position. I do believe many teams borrow money in order to pay these large bonuses handed out. 

The value of the Bengals and all NFL team rises every year, so since they don't have a lot of debt, they can easily get a bank to loan them money and ay a low interest rate.

(02-26-2022, 06:29 PM)Au165 Wrote: Here is the issue people don’t ever acknowledge, Cincinnati is relatively cash poor in relation to other teams. The reason Cincy doesn’t restructure is the same reason they don’t tend to spend big in FA, it requires large amounts of cash. People act like the NFL being a cap league creates a level playing field but cap can be bought if you have enough cash, in fact the cap realistically doesn’t exist if your willing to spend enough cash constantly.

Cash is not cap, cap is just an accounting method. People assume all teams have hordes of cash sitting around and the reality is some do and some don’t. We don’t so while there are ways to circumvent the cap it’s better for people to assume in our case the cap is in fact the cap.

(02-27-2022, 12:27 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Last off season the Stealers had to cut players for cap reasons and it hurt them this year.

The best teams don't swing wildly from year to year from going "all in" and then folding.  You can move cap space down the road, but you can't make it disappear.

The best teams develop draft picks to step in and start when a vet demands too much money.  No team can be good for any extended period of time on free agents.  The math does not work.  You have to get a decent amount of production from some players on their first contracts.

 

(02-27-2022, 12:57 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: From an article today…

And the cap angle is overblown. Teams know how to manage the annual spending limit, and that will get easier and easier as the annual spending limit shoots higher and higher, given the huge increases in broadcasting rights and gambling revenue.

(02-27-2022, 12:42 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: The Browns aren’t cash poor. They got hit hard by the pandemic but this year was the gold rush. 3 playoff games and the Super Bowl? I didn’t realize how much the NFL shares or pays of the Super Bowl expenses. They will never be free spenders like a lot of teams with billionaire owners

(02-27-2022, 02:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Whoever wrote this article is just wrong.

Teams may "know how to handle the cap" but facts prove that it includes cutting players and replacing them with cheaper players.  All you have to do is pay attention to free agency every year.  There are always guys who are released for cap reasons.

Any team can push payday down the road, but they can't make it disappear.

If we had a core of older players and the window was closing I'd be more likely to sacrifice the future for one shot at a Super Bowl.  It worked for the Rams this year.  But look at the Bronco fans.  They won a Super Bowl with Peyton Manning 7 years ago but have not been back to the playoffs since.  This was their 5th straight losing season.

(02-27-2022, 01:35 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Bengals are now worth billions and 100% controlled by the Brown family. They could borrow hundreds of millions if needed based on the equity position. I do believe many teams borrow money in order to pay these large bonuses handed out. 

The value of the Bengals and all NFL team rises every year, so since they don't have a lot of debt, they can easily get a bank to loan them money and ay a low interest rate.

(02-27-2022, 02:35 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: I would like to imagine that Mike Florio know more about footbal than either of us.  

(02-27-2022, 02:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What about the other media experts who disagree with Florio's position?

Why is Florio smarter than all of them?

Everyone agrees that teams can create cap space if they want to.  But many experts say it is not a good idea.  

(02-27-2022, 12:27 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Last off season the Stealers had to cut players for cap reasons and it hurt them this year.

The best teams don't swing wildly from year to year from going "all in" and then folding.  You can move cap space down the road, but you can't make it disappear.

The best teams develop draft picks to step in and start when a vet demands too much money.  No team can be good for any extended period of time on free agents.  The math does not work.  You have to get a decent amount of production from some players on their first contracts.

 

(02-27-2022, 12:24 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: You are right. LA Rams will be very short lived and definitely looking at a free fall in 2023

(02-27-2022, 04:52 PM)Tony Wrote: This way of building a team has netted the Bucs and Rams championships the past 2 years...

(02-27-2022, 01:35 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Bengals are now worth billions and 100% controlled by the Brown family. They could borrow hundreds of millions if needed based on the equity position. I do believe many teams borrow money in order to pay these large bonuses handed out. 

The value of the Bengals and all NFL team rises every year, so since they don't have a lot of debt, they can easily get a bank to loan them money and ay a low interest rate.