(01-04-2024, 01:26 PM)casear2727 Wrote: This chart reveals:
X.  Throws to an Open Receiver (X Axis).
Only a slight difference between Burrow and Browning when it comes to throwing to an open receiver.  

Y.  Average Receiver Separation (Y Axis).
The big difference is how much Separation receivers actually have.  Joe & Jake are basically in the same offense, the difference is likely due to Joe's arm strength, timing, accuracy and ball-placement.

It is concerning how middle of the road we are even with Burrow. The Ravens could not have schemed any better, major reversal for them.

Separation isn't a WR metric, but it is a Scheme and QB metric.

(01-04-2024, 04:09 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: This is pretty much my exact same thinking. No way to know where to give credit or blame. I guess in the end it all still has to end with Zac but more clarity would be nice. I also thought the same thing that Callahan should not like this situation because it's going to prevent him from getting HC jobs.

(01-04-2024, 05:19 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Interesting deep dive 9 delay of game by the offense. 1 by the defense. All the delay of games with Joe as the QB. Also looked at previous years and we were middle of the pack.

(01-04-2024, 05:22 PM)BleedNOrange Wrote: I might be reading this incorrectly, but aren't your X/Y axis backwards?  X is receiver separation and Y is % throws to open receiver.

(01-04-2024, 05:40 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Can't be accurate. Week 12, 2nd offensive drive of the game.

I only knew that one because I was checking Bengals timeouts called on their first offensive drives of a game and I saw it. They don't attribute delay of games to a player, so I would have to go through 16 gamelogs play-by-play in entirety to know the exact split of Burrow/Browning, and ain't nobody got time for that. 16 games first drives play logs was already pushing it for me caring. Lol

(01-04-2024, 05:40 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Can't be accurate. Week 12, 2nd offensive drive of the game.

I only knew that one because I was checking Bengals timeouts called on their first offensive drives of a game and I saw it. They don't attribute delay of games to a player, so I would have to go through 16 gamelogs play-by-play in entirety to know the exact split of Burrow/Browning, and ain't nobody got time for that. 16 games first drives play logs was already pushing it for me caring. Lol

(01-05-2024, 02:30 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Most pass attempts this season
608 Washington
605 KC
598 Cleveland
587 Cincinnati
587 Minnesota

Fewest rush attempts this season
342 Washington
346 NY Jets
353 Cincinnati
357 Seattle
371 Minnesota

234 more passes than runs. Both JB's have combined for 36 carries so far and most of those were pass drop backs that led to runs.

That's almost 15 more passes per game than rushes for a .500 team.

(01-05-2024, 03:42 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Yeeesh. I forgot the 47 sacks, even Tanner Hudson has been sacked this year. That's about 18 more dropbacks than designed running plays per game. Pathetic.

(01-04-2024, 03:23 PM)Joelist Wrote: Caesars chart is a big symptom of the need to evolve the scheme on offense. As it stands with its emphasis on shotgun and spread offense concepts plus its predictability (especially on route designs) it is both easy to predict and a VERY difficult offense for ANY OL to be good in. We do need an injection of speed (some may be on the roster) and a back who consistently gets past the first guy but a lot is scheme too. We need better run pass balance and also more under center (it will never be majority because Burrow likes himself some shotgun) and also new route designs, all to make the offense less easy to predict.

(01-04-2024, 02:41 PM)casear2727 Wrote: I cannot allow myself to be upset with Callahan and hope for a change at OC until Zac gives up play calling and the offense to Callahan. Zac is the offense mastermind, give Callahan a shot at running it and if he fails then can him, would be my approach.  Until then Callahan is simply a support piece.

(01-04-2024, 02:44 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: And thus having 6 guys on the headset to collectively think up what plays to call has succeeded in making absolutely nobody to blame because none of them have gotten a chance on their own to prove or disprove themselves.

As far as OCs who don't call plays go, my opinion is that if they were actually a good OC they wouldn't let the meat of their job that determines if anyone thinks they're any good or not get taken away from them for any length of time. Imagine Sean Payton or Andy Reed being a non-playcalling OC for 5 years. It would never happen.

(01-04-2024, 04:48 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: They ran a ton of motion when Burrow was healthy. I think I remember they were top 5 in the league with pre snap motion. 

A lot of it went away when Browning went under center. I think they limited the playbook quite a bit. 

(01-05-2024, 05:48 PM)Whatever Wrote: Motion presnap helps the QB identify the defense.  Burrow is great at presnap reads, while Browning is more of your drop back and go through progressions, type.  

(01-05-2024, 05:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I love everything that you said here.
I agree with essentially all of it.

I would love it if someone had a breakdown of all the routes ran by type for each receiver.
E.g. how many curls, how many slants, verts, posts, etc.

(01-05-2024, 05:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Great posts, all for a new OC, maybe the dude is already on the team in Brian Callahan that can take over the play calling and scheme
duties so we have one guy to give credit to or he can even have some accountability eh? I don't like this too many mind's business. 

(01-05-2024, 09:34 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: That too many minds mantra has been totally blown out of the water. That’s not even talked about on the Bengals beat. Don’t know how that got so exaggerated