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RE: Christian Wilkins - Bengalitis - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 09:11 AM)R3stangs Wrote: Which part? That they voided it or how he treated the rehab?I dont know, Carson Palmer never used the Bengal's doctors.. who did have a bad reputation... imagine a team using their medical doctors to stiffle someone's guaranteed $$$ of millions, or their well-being. our doctors said you need to have this surgery, if you dont you lose your millions..sounds more like blackmail.
Its hard for me to form an accurate opinion without specific details but just on the surface I find myself siding with teams on this stuff. Why should you pay someone who's not playing for you and isn't doing what you're requesting them to in order to be able to play. But again so specifics so just a high level opinion.
RE: Christian Wilkins - Sled21 - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 09:58 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: I dont know, Carson Palmer never used the Bengal's doctors.. who did have a bad reputation... imagine a team using their medical doctors to stiffle someone's guaranteed $$$ of millions, or their well-being. our doctors said you need to have this surgery, if you dont you lose your millions..sounds more like blackmail.
Nobody uses the Bengal's or any other team's doctors to perform surgeries. The team doctors look at them, tell them what they think they need, and then they go to a specialist for the surgery. So the Raider's docs said he needs another surgery. I would suppose the specialists agreed, which is why they pulled his contract.
It's really no different than when I was injured at work. If I did not do what the doctors said I should do, workman's comp would drop me. (And this was years ago)
RE: Christian Wilkins - R3stangs - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 09:58 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: I dont know, Carson Palmer never used the Bengal's doctors.. who did have a bad reputation... imagine a team using their medical doctors to stiffle someone's guaranteed $$$ of millions, or their well-being. our doctors said you need to have this surgery, if you dont you lose your millions..sounds more like blackmail.
Yep, thats why I say specifics matter. That assumes the team is acting in bad faith, which who knows in this case.
RE: Christian Wilkins - Synric - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 09:11 AM)R3stangs Wrote: Which part? That they voided it or how he treated the rehab?
Its hard for me to form an accurate opinion without specific details but just on the surface I find myself siding with teams on this stuff. Why should you pay someone who's not playing for you and isn't doing what you're requesting them to in order to be able to play. But again so specifics so just a high level opinion.
Sounds like the Raiders wanted Wilkins to get a second surgery and he declined. Now he isn't ready for training camp and I'm betting since they released him will miss some games.
RE: Christian Wilkins - Big_Ern - 07-25-2025
(07-24-2025, 08:55 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Wilkins filed a grievance.
That's why you don't give owners even more ways to void your guaranteed money if they want to without anything in return. If it can be voided at will, it's not actually guaranteed anymore.
Disagree. This is exactly why you do.
RE: Christian Wilkins - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 07-25-2025
He is not healthy. We should not sign him.
Unless....he eins his case vs tge Raiders, gets paid is willing to sign for peanuts, and can actually play this year.
RE: Christian Wilkins - ochocincos - 07-25-2025
(07-24-2025, 08:48 PM)Nepa Wrote: Probably a lesson somewhere there: "Voided the remaining $32.5 million dollars of guaranteed money" because of how he treated rehab from a foot injury.
32.5 million dollars guaranteed voided! For a failure to rehab the way the team requested it. Can't wrap my head around that.
Feels like this could be the kind of stuff Stewart's camp is worried about happening with the Bengals due to the contract language.
I can see some validity in saying, "Hey, we wanted you to do X to get your injury healed properly, but you chose to do Y and it looks like the injury is not recovered well enough. Therefore, we are voiding some $$ because you didn't listen to us and now unable to perform," but on the flip side, it's unknown if rehabbing the way the team wanted it would have actually gotten the injury properly recovered and in the timeframe they wanted.
Tough spot to be in.
Personally, I think contracts would be far more straightforward and easier to manage if there were either no partial guarantees or all of it was guaranteed.
RE: Christian Wilkins - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 07-25-2025
(07-24-2025, 08:52 PM)Au165 Wrote: Remember when we were stupid for not signing him? Raiders paid him 6.5 million per game played.
Yep, I wanted Wilkins but it backfired big time on the Raiders. Maybe once he is healed up give him a look but I am expecting a lot of growth
out of Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson this year.
RE: Christian Wilkins - XsandOs - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 02:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yep, I wanted Wilkins but it backfired big time on the Raiders. Maybe once he is healed up give him a look but I am expecting a lot of growth
out of Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson this year.
The entire Bengals IDL of Hill, Slaton, Jenkins and Jackson combined salaries are less than Wilkins.
I feel that Jenkins is the breakout player for us this year.
It usually takes three years for interior DL to develop, but with his father and uncle having played DL previously in NFL, I think he makes the jump this year.
RE: Christian Wilkins - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 02:31 PM)XsandOs Wrote: The entire Bengals IDL of Hill, Slaton, Jenkins and Jackson combined salaries are less than Wilkins.
I feel that Jenkins is the breakout player for us this year.
It usually takes three years for interior DL to develop, but with his father and uncle having played DL previously in NFL, I think he makes the jump this year.
I agree, Kris is my pick to make the big jump for sure. Plus, he will have 3 years in a row playing the same position, Kris Jenkins is a
really hard worker. The Freak that he is.
RE: Christian Wilkins - XsandOs - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 02:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I agree, Kris is my pick to make the big jump for sure. Plus, he will have 3 years in a row playing the same position, Kris Jenkins is a
really hard worker. The Freak that he is.
Nate, I liked the pick because of lineage. Bengals did well in the past with Geathers and Geno - picking players with NFL bloodlines.
I am also looking forward to seeing how our human bowling ball (Jackson) does.
Do you know who picked Don Corleone in the draft this year?
RE: Christian Wilkins - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 02:56 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Nate, I liked the pick because of lineage. Bengals did well in the past with Geathers and Geno - picking players with NFL bloodlines.
I am also looking forward to seeing how our human bowling ball (Jackson) does.
Do you know who picked Don Corleone in the draft this year?
I don't know who picked Corleone, but I was a fan of him, just didn't think DT was a need after drafting 2 the draft before.
Good name Don Corleone lol and a good player to boot.
RE: Christian Wilkins - J24 - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 03:18 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I don't know who picked Corleone, but I was a fan of him, just didn't think DT was a need after drafting 2 the draft before.
Good name Don Corleone lol and a good player to boot.
Still in college, playing for UC!
RE: Christian Wilkins - XsandOs - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 03:31 PM)J24 Wrote: Still in college, playing for UC!
Is he? I thought he declared last year.
RE: Christian Wilkins - ochocincos - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 02:31 PM)XsandOs Wrote: The entire Bengals IDL of Hill, Slaton, Jenkins and Jackson combined salaries are less than Wilkins.
I feel that Jenkins is the breakout player for us this year.
It usually takes three years for interior DL to develop, but with his father and uncle having played DL previously in NFL, I think he makes the jump this year.
In what aspect?
He was not very productive as a pass rusher last year, nor what he known to be a pass rush specialist in college.
The motor is there, but there's a lot of work to be done still.
Let's compare Jenkins with an IDL who got paid big this offseason - Milton Williams.
Jenkins (496 defensive snaps):
17 solo tackles
11 assisted tackles
0 FFs
12 stops
3.0 sacks
11 total pressures
Williams (500 defensive snaps):
12 solo tackles
7 assisted tackles
1 FF
12 stops
5.0 sacks
40 total pressures (!!!)
The good for Jenkins - tackling seems ok, he gets some stops at the line. His sack numbers appear ok.
The bad - He only got 8 other pressures (6 hurries, 2 hits) aside from those 3 sacks.
Jenkins needs to continue finding ways to get pressure on the QB, as he doesn't have much development there aside from power. He needs moves, technique to get through more consistently.
What are you seeing/thinking that indicates he will develop those things aside from just having a new DL coach?
RE: Christian Wilkins - J24 - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 05:33 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Is he? I thought he declared last year.
No he did not declare: I think he stayed in because of a blood clot issue last season and wants to improve his draft status this season.
RE: Christian Wilkins - J24 - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 05:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: In what aspect?
He was not very productive as a pass rusher last year, nor what he known to be a pass rush specialist in college.
The motor is there, but there's a lot of work to be done still.
Let's compare Jenkins with an IDL who got paid big this offseason - Milton Williams.
Jenkins (496 defensive snaps):
17 solo tackles
11 assisted tackles
0 FFs
12 stops
3.0 sacks
11 total pressures
Williams (500 defensive snaps):
12 solo tackles
7 assisted tackles
1 FF
12 stops
5.0 sacks
40 total pressures (!!!)
The good for Jenkins - tackling seems ok, he gets some stops at the line. His sack numbers appear ok.
The bad - He only got 8 other pressures (6 hurries, 2 hits) aside from those 3 sacks.
Jenkins needs to continue finding ways to get pressure on the QB, as he doesn't have much development there aside from power. He needs moves, technique to get through more consistently.
What are you seeing/thinking that indicates he will develop those things aside from just having a new DL coach?
Jenkins isn't going to be a pass rusher in the NFL unless something unforseen happens but he can be an elite run defender. He had the second highest run stopping percentage(in college) amongst DTs in the 2024 draft prospects.
RE: Christian Wilkins - ochocincos - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 06:04 PM)J24 Wrote: Jenkins isn't going to be a pass rusher in the NFL unless something unforseen happens but he can be an elite run defender. He had the second highest run stopping percentage(in college) amongst DTs in the 2024 draft prospects.
I mean that's fine for a role player/NT, but you want (need) more for a 3-down DT.
Bengals have probably this season, maybe next season before they NEED a new 3-down DT to replace BJ Hill, and they need someone (maybe it's a DE who swings inside) to cover IDL pass rush in nickel situations alongside Hill in the short term.
That guy won't be Slaton, and it won't likely be McKinnley Jackson.
If it's not Jenkins, who is it?
RE: Christian Wilkins - TKUHL - 07-25-2025
I don’t blame the Raiders at all. I hate “Guaranteed” contracts. It’s a contact sport. When a player can assure me they will stay healthy the whole season, then we can talk guaranteed money. Never going to happen. This dude was a beast but there must be more to this than what we know. I’m sure there will be plenty of teams interested, but missing out on 33mil just because you didn’t rehab is crazy. He did this to himself. Do we want this in the locker room. Could be a great dude, I dunno. He must have really screwed up for the Raiders to even feel comfortable voiding his contract knowing they will have to battle with the players union. I’m either way on this one. Don’t really care if we take a flyer on him. He’s still better than most of what we have on the line even with a bum toe.
RE: Christian Wilkins - SunsetBengal - 07-25-2025
(Yesterday, 05:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: In what aspect?
He was not very productive as a pass rusher last year, nor what he known to be a pass rush specialist in college.
The motor is there, but there's a lot of work to be done still.
Let's compare Jenkins with an IDL who got paid big this offseason - Milton Williams.
Jenkins (496 defensive snaps):
17 solo tackles
11 assisted tackles
0 FFs
12 stops
3.0 sacks
11 total pressures
Williams (500 defensive snaps):
12 solo tackles
7 assisted tackles
1 FF
12 stops
5.0 sacks
40 total pressures (!!!)
The good for Jenkins - tackling seems ok, he gets some stops at the line. His sack numbers appear ok.
The bad - He only got 8 other pressures (6 hurries, 2 hits) aside from those 3 sacks.
Jenkins needs to continue finding ways to get pressure on the QB, as he doesn't have much development there aside from power. He needs moves, technique to get through more consistently.
What are you seeing/thinking that indicates he will develop those things aside from just having a new DL coach?
What you're not factoring in there in your comparison is that was not only Jenkins' rookie season, but he was also forced into early action while having to wear the club, due to extensive injuries at the DT spot. Williams on the other hand had a few seasons of development under his belt. All things considered, I would agree that Jenkins is a great breakout candidate.