(06-02-2015, 02:42 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: This has nothing to do with some macho thing about "oh, what a *****," or anything like that, but, my question is, what message does this send to kids?

If kids can't afford surgery, all the hormone treatments, and whatever else, are we teaching them that they're stuck in a lie forever and to be miserable?

It's not like just trying to lose weight to be healthier or things like that because are we teaching kids that some people are mistakes?

Everyone on Facebook and the media is praising her and I just can't get those thoughts out of my head.

(06-02-2015, 05:05 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: A lot of people always ask "why is it such a big deal that they're gay/trans??"

Because there are a ton of people who are who fear that they will be met with hate or disgust by their friends/family/society if they be themselves. People like Jenner show them that anyone can be themselves and that they shouldn't worry.

(06-02-2015, 05:16 PM)BoomerFan Wrote: Power to her I suppose. The one thing I don't actually get is her political affiliation. Sorry to inject politics into this but, Caitlyn says that she is a Republican? That seems like a strange choice give that I wouldn't think this sort of, uh, change would go over well with them...but maybe I'm not being fair to the GOP. I dunno. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, I'll listen.

(06-02-2015, 03:24 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: But it seems like, by going for shock value, they're promoting the idea of changing who you are.

It seriously bugs me because did we give up on "just be yourself, you're good enough no matter what?"

(06-02-2015, 05:16 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: I'm afraid you have this one all wrong. The message that this sends to kids in that you should be whoever you feel you are. It's not teaching that some people are mistakes, but that every person is perfect in who they are, as long as they are comfortable with who they are. 

The fact that Jenner had money for it makes no difference. It's all plastic surgery. The hormone treatment is actually probably the most financially accessible part of the whole deal. 

(06-02-2015, 05:39 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Biting my tongue... but wtf?!

(06-02-2015, 05:16 PM)BoomerFan Wrote: Power to her I suppose. The one thing I don't actually get is her political affiliation. Sorry to inject politics into this but, Caitlyn says that she is a Republican? That seems like a strange choice give that I wouldn't think this sort of, uh, change would go over well with them...but maybe I'm not being fair to the GOP. I dunno. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, I'll listen.

(06-02-2015, 05:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: So if a kid doesn't have the money for surgery or has some condition that they can't have it, they should just kill themselves instead of being happy the way they are?

1. denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender.
   "a transgender activist and author"
   
   

Quote:Jenner has chosen to publicly share her gender identity, but many transgender Americans do not. In a 2011 survey of 6,456 transgender or gender non-conforming adults in the U.S., 12 percent said they had never told anyone about their gender identity.

(06-02-2015, 05:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote:  
So if a kid doesn't have the money for surgery or has some condition that they can't have it, they should just kill themselves instead of being happy the way they are?

What about overweight kids?  I'm sure a lot of them don't feel the way that they're seen on the outside but are depressed because of how they are judged or ridiculed, so should they just kill themselves if dieting doesn't work or there's no surgery to fix the problem that they have?

(06-02-2015, 04:34 PM)Beaker Wrote:

(06-02-2015, 06:49 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: :crazy:

I've been wanting to use this emoticon since I first saw it, congrats I finally found a post that deserves it. 

(06-02-2015, 07:19 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Dude... Saying that you should be happy with who you feel you are in no way suggests people should kill themselves if they can't pay for plastic surgery.

(06-02-2015, 08:03 PM)TBFritz21 Wrote: But with no explanation of how that's wrong.

Congrats.

But you're suggesting that they shouldn't be happy if they can't pay for the plastic surgery?

Whatever happened to being happy with who you are?

If a kid raises his hand in your class and says "I feel like I'm a female," are you going to say "ok, you're a female, just wait until you can get enough money for the surgery."  

Then, when another kid raises his hand and says "so he's a male, but he feels like a female, so is he a mistake," you're going to say "yes, he's a mistake, there's something wrong with him"?

If a kid feels like a female, should he be allowed in the girls' showers after gym class because he feels happier as a female with the females?  

(06-02-2015, 08:03 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: But with no explanation of how that's wrong.

Congrats.

(06-02-2015, 09:51 PM)treee Wrote: Hearing a lot of negativity in the media and in person. It's annoying.

(06-02-2015, 09:59 PM)xxlt Wrote: Makes me feel fortunate to live where I do and travel in the circles I do. A few jokes but nothing mean or stupid, and most of my friends and casual acquaintances are saying either "good for her" or "I don't understand it, but good for her."

I joked she should compete in the senior olympics  decathlon as a woman and be the only person to ever win it twice, once as a man and once as a woman. Accept, I wasn't joking. I actually think that would be cool as hell.